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I feel like all fedi software has problematic devs, Calckey (pricefield.org)
submitted 1 year ago by skymtf@pricefield.org to c/fediverse@lemmy.world
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I feel like almost every single piece of software has some problematic dev that has racism, transphobia, or both. I recently read a post about the calc key devs and sighed *facepalm. It is honestly really annoying cause I want friends to use Fedi but than you can pull up a whole laundry list of problems with the devs and it's like (welp, signing up for threads). I feel like people care a ton when it's the small instance, vs a megacorp. Like Meta has a horrible issue with transphobia and racism but it only seems to matter if it's a smaller project for some reason

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[–] Anafroj@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, the good news is that the "fediverse" is actually built on a web standard (ActivityPub), which you implement in any software you want. :) What that means is that the "the fediverse" is more comparable to "the web" than to a given social network. There are people building websites you won't agree with, same goes with fediverse software. Move on and find those that you like, or build them. The fact that it's built on web standards mean that anyone can decide to add their own software without concerting with anyone else, without asking permission from anyone else, you just build and publish. That's what made the web so strong since its beginning, and that's IMO a core advantage of ActivityPub compared to other decentralization projects.

[–] skymtf@pricefield.org -3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I know this!, the issue is 90% of people don't. If the devs on calckey are semi problematic they won't use it and use threads, bsky, or honestly just twitter. I feel like they hold foss software to a higher standard.

[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 6 points 1 year ago

If the devs on calckey are semi problematic they won’t use it and use threads, bsky, or honestly just twitter.

So they conclude that someone working on a piece of open source software is “semi problematic” (although quite how they are on why this impacts the project) and yet they’ll use software from companies run by a soulless android laser-focused on world domination or flaming trashcan of old memes in human form hellbent on burning the world down around him?

I think you need better friends and I think your friends need a slap. This doesn’t seem to be a problem with Fediverse software and more an issue with the critical thinking ability of those you hang around with.

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why? What do I care about the devs? It's open source so it doesn't matter. The code belongs to anyone who wants to use it.

[–] skymtf@pricefield.org -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

yeah, I mean that's one take. I feel like it's debatable. I guess them not wanting to use calckey is about the same as me not wanting to use soapbox. I feel like politics of devs matter more when your marginalized, and while calckey issues don't effect me as a mostly white Hispanic I feel like it effects people of color more.

[–] skymtf@pricefield.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel like it's more or less an ethical thing more than anything. I guess in a way it feels stupid coming from me who is using a software built by tankies (who I disagree with)

[–] Ohthereyouare@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Okay. Finally, after a month here, I'll bite.

Who said it was built by tankies? I'm not saying it wasn't. But, afaik, ActivityPub was developed by W3C.

Are they tankies? They don't strike me as tankies, but I've been wrong before. People keep saying the Fediverse was built by tankies, and I guess I'm missing some history, because as far as I can tell, there may have been some tankies, but it doesn't seem built by tankies.

Even now, Lemmygrad is small. They're annoying as fuck. And they're pervasive on Lemmy. But, it's not like there's a lot of them.

So, if anyone feels like bringing me up to speed on the history of the Fediverse, I'm extremely eager to learn.

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 3 points 1 year ago

Don't know the history of Fediverse, but the two main devs of Lemmy are self-proclaimed Marxist-Leninists. But as I stated above - what do I care? It's open source, the code doesn't belong to them.

[–] skymtf@pricefield.org -3 points 1 year ago

Lemmy specifically was built by tankies, not activitypub lmao

[–] leraje@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm curious as I'm ignorant of this - what problematic behaviour has the Calckey dev demonstrated?

[–] skymtf@pricefield.org 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

Doesn't seem to be much there to be honest

[–] leraje@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Unfortunate.

I'll stick with the software for now but defederate.

[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago

And, as they say in that thread, FireFish has been forked to IceShrimp. That's the beauty of FOSS, if someone is really problematic and it's harming the project then it can just be forked and anyone causing issues is cut loose.