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[–] Noit@lemm.ee 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They’re supporting Liz Truss, so they’re obviously insane. But are they insane enough to collapse the government and bring about a general election where many are at risk of losing their seats? I don’t understand their game plan, but that might just be because I have a basic grasp of cause and effect.

[–] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'd like to think they're not completely stupid. They must know they'll be getting a drubbing at the next election. So it baffles me why they want to make that an even bigger dicking?

I can only imagine that know they'll be fucked in opposition so why not start succession planning now. They're not even going to try at the next election. But even that doesn't make sense because you need to be elected to be in opposition!

Fuck I have no idea 🤣.

[–] frog@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They're not completely stupid, but they've become so absorbed in their ideology that they truly believe the rest of the world shares their viewpoint. As a result, they believe they won't lose the next election if only they go all-out on the low spending, low tax, small state approach.

[–] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It also tickles me that they're supposed to be conservative (with a small c) yet want to gamble on this idea even after it caused them to be run out of office. Your think they'd advocate for a cautious steady approach that the markets could warm to over time?

[–] frog@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Their lack of self-awareness tickles me too. Mostly because the choice is either to laugh at them or cry.

[–] oroboros@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd like to think they're not completely stupid.

Why?

[–] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because I don't like to paint people with broad unspecific brush strokes, generally. And like to think, again generally, people want to do the right things most of the time. Otherwise you'd end up bitter and afraid to interact with people based on preconceptions. But each to their own, eh?

[–] oroboros@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago

I'm not trying to claim they don't do stupid things. I'm saying that as a group I don't believe in tarring everyone with the sins of the past.

Again, you can disagree and that is cool 😎.

[–] frazorth@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago

Honestly? I think they know they have fucked up too much and really don't want to be left holding the economic turd after next year.

So this is a two pronged plan.

  1. Burn the house down so that when Labour come in, it will be painful and they can point to labour raising taxes to get basic shit done. Kier is doing well not to promise anything. We still have a year of the government dicking around, do not make promises that the Tories can sabotage before getting into power.

  2. They really don't want to be in power after the next election, so they are doing everything they can to make sure they are voted out. What else would be the purpose of extending sales of ICE vehicles? Some of these things don't make sense as they are unpopular with Tories, until you understand that they don't want the votes at all.