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[–] galloog1@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Giving full economic power to the state does not make you less fascist. It actually makes it much worse.

Just a reminder to the true leftists who think they can force through their better society by giving society more power over the individual without changing the culture in the first place.

[–] Custoslibera@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Socialist policies are the obvious answer to health, education, justice and transport issues in society.

You know, all the things that actually matter in a society.

The reason we don’t have more of them is because people continually vote against their own self interest.

Certain strands of Socialism has evolved away from a completely centralised economy in the same way capitalism isn’t actually a free market.

[–] lemann@lemmy.one 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The reason we don’t have more of them is because people continually vote against their own self interest.

Louder for those in the back!!!

I will never understand WHY people do this. And then higher life expectancy resulting in a growing older generation population preferring policies that actively harm young people

[–] Flumsy@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

(Actual queation): Why would you say its in my self-interest to vote for a left party (which would generally mean paying even more that the current 45% income taxes)?

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[–] lugal@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For context: OP is on lemmy.world which blocks the tankie instances if I'm not mistaken. So they seem to refer to based leftist stuff I assume and isn't a redfash.

[–] galloog1@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The true marxist based left is not woke. It never was. There's a reason that the western left turned liberal in the 50s and 60s and focused on reform. The CCP killed any thought that decentralized communes could be self-sufficient and centralization killed any concept of liberalism and a responsive command economy. If the majority can vote their way into resources, minorities suffer. With no opposition checking the ruling party, corruption sets in.

If you are referring to the American Democratic party, they are liberal and not left.

[–] horsey@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is correct. They draw a distinction between economic left and social left. Mainly, US liberals are vaguely socialist and definitely not communist, but mainly, they embrace ID politics. People who call themselves leftists may hold the same opinions about equality, but consider the economic system and classes much more important.

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[–] lugal@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

There is a tradition of leftist critics of Marxism. I don't agree with each 100% but you can draw a line from Bakunin to Kropotkin to Goldman to Weil to Orwell, ... each in opposition of Marx or Lenin or Stalin

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (36 children)

Just a reminder, abolishing the state is cool.

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[–] horsey@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

That’s not what fascist means. Fascism is specific a right wing ideology, because it involves close cooperation between the government and capitalist monopolies. Mussolini praised “capitalist production, captains of industries, modern entrepreneurs”. You seem to mean authoritarian.

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[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)

The endless purity tests of what a true leftist is one of the main reasons they make no real change in the world.

The constant fighting over doctrinal purity consumes so much time, energy and mind space there is nothing left for actual change.

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[–] Rottcodd@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's as if the people who talk about it the most don't actually have the foggiest idea what a "ruling class" actually is or how it comes to be.

[–] galloog1@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Everyone thinks they will be the ones in charge after the revolution.

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