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There's been tons of right-leaning Reddit alternatives before, but they always quickly devolved into Nazi spaces.
Lemmy was the first one that I'm aware of, which told Nazis to fuck off right from the beginning.
They just have their own instance and are defederated by some but not all, which is the best solution as it means they stick to their part of the fediverse instead of hijacking subs that weren't right leaning in the first place.
Yeah, right-wingers flock to "safe-spaces" as much as the far-left does. Lemmy doesn't have the tools to make a single community isolated like they could on Reddit, so they have to go to their own instances and end up defederated.
The main differences between left-wing and right-wing communities is that the right-wing ones quickly deteriorate towards a lot of hate related things. This leads them to being isolated from the rest. The left wingers are mostly tolerable and are just over zealous in preaching things like forcing everyone to use pronouns, lmao.
And everybody wins!
Gotta act like we're in kindergarten for them 🤷
That's the important bit. The creators of Lemmy needed to be hard leftist to keep it from being taken over by right wingers before it could become popular. Now it's big enough that the community isn't as leftist as the creators, but will still reject turning into another voat.
Unfettered echo chamber of right wing ideals will always devolve into fascist authoritarian and nazism
Surprise surprise, echo chambers devolve into more extreme versions of the original views
That's literally just how echo works
I'm sorry but what is considered to be "Nazi" in this platform? I've seen even socialists being called Nazis
I do not speak for this platform, but what I mean with Nazis here, are people who support the exclusion, inhumane treatment or exploitation of arbitrary groups of people, generally for the Nazi's (perceived) benefit and in spite of basic morals.
And what would exclusion, inhumane treatment and exploitation mean? It's key to clearly define the concepts before applying the label to someone, as if they stay undefined everyone can have the label applied
Right, so another policy from the early days of Lemmy that I thought was quite vital: No endless discussions on what precisely constitutes Nazi behaviour.
It's truly not hard to not be a Nazi. And if someone is even roughly in the ballpark of being a Nazi, the community as a whole just doesn't care to have that person's input here.
Which is a roundabout way of saying that I do not think, it's relevant to clearly define these terms.
Then it's easy to fall to "Nazi is when I don't like"
If you’re worried people will think you’re a Nazi, maybe it’s not the other people you should be worried about.
What if you just have no idea of what my views are and I hate Nazis probably as much if not more as you do?
Then I’m happy to be wrong (fewer Nazi sympathizers is always better), and you have nothing to worry about. But that you consider a potentially over-broad definition of Nazism a major problem in this political climate suggests that even if you are antifascist, your priorities are skewed.
See? Now I get called a fascist just because I'm scared of how commonly that buzzword is used
You really worked for it though. You can also just behave like a regular human.
Whatever, you just made huge assumptions about me
Like what? That you’re a regular human? I apologize!!
No, that I like fascism
I did no such thing. But it really doesn’t matter if you like it. The way you engage with the concept is icky enough.
Why is "I don't like authoritarianism" so hard to understand? With a number of exceptions I can count with one hand, I'd support social democracy if it has a decent welfare and economic freedoms. However, it's a priority to stomp down on monopolies, as they're nothing more than an obstacle to fair economic competition
You are not reacting to anything your interlocutors type.
If you are a bot: use a larger language model and/or context size.
If you are a human: kindly go stink up some other place.
You hate different opinions? What a nice way of creating echo chambers
Please point out where I called you a fascist, or stop pretending you’re being persecuted.
I’ve never had a productive conversation that started with “please define what counts as a Nazi for me”.
No argument there. But given that they mostly popup in the context of "I think all nazis..."-circlejerks, that's kinda to be expected.