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    Re-creation of someone else's post because the original was removed and I found it funny when I first saw it

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    [–] dpkonofa@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

    What a dishonest argument. They're using a curated overlay for Linux that mostly hides the Linux part from them completely. The fact that there's a "Desktop Mode" doesn't change the fact that 99% of Steam Deck users aren't in Desktop mode.

    Edit: If someone bought a smart appliance with a screen whose software was Linux on the backend, we wouldn’t count people who bought that appliance (a refrigerator, for example) as “Linux users”. The Steam Deck is the same way for 95% of its users.

    [–] Doxin@yiffit.net 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    They’re using a curated overlay for Linux

    This is commonly known as a "distro". SteamOS is just particularly good at being user friendly for it's fairly narrow use-case.

    [–] dpkonofa@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    SteamOS is the distro. Big Picture/Steam Deck is an overlay for the Steam application and what the majority of Steam Deck users are using and experiencing. They're not using it for day to day applications and browsing the internet.

    [–] Doxin@yiffit.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    I'd probably call Big Picture the Desktop environment in this case. Yes it's a simplified linux experience, but it's not not linux.

    [–] dpkonofa@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    The point is that you could swap what OS it is in the background and it wouldn’t make a difference that it’s Linux. The Steam Deck could be running Windows with Big Picture on top of it and no one would be the wiser. It’s misleading to say that Steam Deck users are Linux users if they don’t even use any of the Linux environment.

    [–] Doxin@yiffit.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    But that's true for anything. you could swap out the OS under gnome and most users wouldn't notice either.

    [–] dpkonofa@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    You’re either being intentionally obtuse or disingenuous. If there was a microwave or refrigerator out there that ran Linux for its components, you wouldn’t count people who bought that refrigerator as Linux users, would you? If anyone did, it would be to artificially inflate the Linux numbers since users only use the refrigerator/microwave functions. If they’re not exposed to any operational functions of the OS, then counting them as users of the OS is dishonest.

    [–] Doxin@yiffit.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    You’re either being intentionally obtuse or disingenuous.

    Or I'm simply disagreeing with you. I'm not disagreeing to disagree, I just simply am not convinced by your arguments.

    you wouldn’t count people who bought that refrigerator as Linux users, would you?

    No, I would not.

    If they’re not exposed to any operational functions of the OS, then counting them as users of the OS is dishonest.

    Right, but the steam deck exposes all that perfectly fine, a lot of uses simply choose not to engage with that. Someone using debian but then only touching the web browser still counts as them using linux surely.

    [–] dpkonofa@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

    No, you’re being dishonest. 99% of Steam Deck users don’t know (or care) that desktop mode exists because, much like an appliance, it’s not relevant to their use of the device. Your argument is basically that, if a refrigerator had a full Linux desktop that was accessible, it’s user would count as a Linux user because, just like the Steam Deck, not using that interface would just be the owner of said refrigerator “choosing not to engage with it”. You and I both know that’s horseshit.

    No, I would not.

    still counts as them using linux surely

    You’ve just contradicted yourself. A smart fridge with a browser counts as a Linux user or doesn’t?

    [–] Doxin@yiffit.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    work on your reading comprehension.

    [–] dpkonofa@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

    Sure…right after you answer the question instead of continuing to be dishonest.

    You can’t have it both ways.