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[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (12 children)

To simply have access to a lot of books? Sure, that's why I support public libraries.

To be held in captivity by an enraged asshole? No. Nothing about Beauty and the Beast is good for women. Least of all the brainwashing it does to convince young girls to love horrible wealthy men and try to fix them via codependency and tolerate financial and emotional abuse.

See Mickey Mouse Monopoly documentary for analysis on Disney movies and the themes they push (VERY hard to search up, here's a link https://youtu.be/WDwYOBJLZdg )

[–] LadyButterfly@reddthat.com 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I said this about Disney in !Womensstuff@piefed.blahaj.zone recently. And sleeping beauty couldn't consent!!

[–] Hugin@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (5 children)

It's way worse in the original story.

It's a cursed thorn that keeps her asleep. Prince comes along and rapes her in her sleep. Then leaves her pregnant and still unconscious.

Nine months later she gives birth. The baby crawls up searching for a nipple and starts nursing on her finger. It sucks the thorn out of her finger lifting the curse and she wakes up.

[–] Photuris@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

All those old fairy tales have one single core lesson for children: stranger danger!

In that light, the original Sleeping Beauty plot makes sense. Don’t get shit-faced and pass out at a house party around a bunch of horny drunk randos. Most of the guys there might be decent and honorable, but it only takes one horrible creep.

That is, sadly, a better outcome lesson than waking up to a gentle kiss from a kind and handsome prince, no?

[–] lunarul@lemmy.world 8 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

It's not a prince who finds a random sleeping girl. Princess Zellandine falls in love with a man named Troylus. Her father sends Troylus away to perform various tasks to prove himself worthy of her. But yes, he does basically rape her in her sleep when he comes back.

[–] Hugin@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

That's a much latter version. AFIK The Sun, Moon, and Talia is the earliest. Relevant bit below.

After a time, it happened by chance that a king was out hunting and passed that way. One of his falcons escaped from his hand and flew into the house by way of one of the windows. It did not come when called, so the king had one of his party knock at the door, believing the palace to be inhabited. Although he knocked for a length of time, nobody answered, so the king had them bring a vintner's ladder, for he himself would climb up and search the house, to discover what was inside. Thus he climbed up and entered, and looked in all the rooms, and nooks, and corners, and was amazed to find no living person there. At last he came to the salon, and when the king beheld Talia, who seemed to be enchanted, he believed that she was asleep, and he called her, but she remained unconscious. Crying aloud, he beheld her charms and felt his blood course hotly through his veins. He lifted her in his arms, and carried her to a bed, where he gathered the first fruits of love. Leaving her on the bed, he returned to his own kingdom, where, in the pressing business of his realm, he for a time thought no more about this incident.

Now after nine months Talia delivered two beautiful children, one a boy and the other a girl. In them could be seen two rare jewels, and they were attended by two fairies, who came to that palace, and put them at their mother's breasts. Once, however, they sought the nipple, and not finding it, began to suck on Talia's fingers, and they sucked so much that the splinter of flax came out. Talia awoke as if from a long sleep, and seeing beside her two priceless gems, she held them to her breast, and gave them the nipple to suck, and the babies were dearer to her than her own life. Finding herself alone in that palace with two children by her side, she did not know what had happened to her; but she did notice that the table was set, and food and drink were brought in to her, although she did not see any attendants.

https://sites.pitt.edu/~dash/type0410.html

[–] lunarul@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Sun, Moon, and Talia was written in the early 1600s. The version I was referring to is from Perceforest, written between 1330 and 1344. It's the earliest known version.

[–] DrDystopia@lemy.lol 4 points 1 day ago

Haha wtf that's insane

[–] SonOfAntenora@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Good now please unread this back

[–] LadyButterfly@reddthat.com 4 points 1 day ago

Oh lord that's awful

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)
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