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since yesterday.. oop: https://mathstodon.xyz/@johncarlosbaez/114816283089805862

article: https://arstechnica.com/security/2025/07/unless-users-take-action-android-will-let-gemini-access-third-party-apps/

haven't found a public google announcement, the screenshot seems to be from emails

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[–] voracitude@lemmy.world 55 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Anything compatible with Graphene OS (https://grapheneos.org/); a second-hand Pixel will work best, if you can find one cheap. I use it as my daily driver on a Pixel 7a and it's great; it's the most stable and easiest-to-install custom ROM I've ever used, and I've been rooting my Android devices for over a decade now.

[–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 6 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

So my Fairphone is not supported because the security updates aren't good enough. Serves me right trying to find an ethical approach to mobile computing.

I understand GrapheneOS' philosophy but buying a google product to get away from google software is certainly... a choice. Refurbished or not buying a Pixel would serve Google's interests, nevermind the fact that I bought my current phone a couple years ago hoping to get close to a decade of use out of it.

Realistically software freedom on mobile phones is doomed until the industry improves the firmware situation. Every project suffers from severe drawbacks because of it.

[–] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 1 points 12 hours ago

If you want to keep your Fairphone and ditch android, Fairphone 4 and 5 both appear to be well supported by Ubuntu Touch. The downside is that Ubuntu Touch is currently still based on the 2020 LTS release of Ubuntu (which does still get updates, at least). Fairphone 4 is also somewhat supported by postmarketOS, but call support there is listed as "partial".

[–] pmtriste@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Fairphone should be clean, because it is degoogled

[–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 5 points 14 hours ago

It doesn't have the worst of google apps, but it still runs Play Services with all its opaqueness and potential spyware. So Gemini should hopefully not be an issue but GrapheneOS would still be nice to have.

[–] voracitude@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

I hear you! Hardware fragmentation is a serious issue, very difficult to deal with as a small team, so I can't hold it against them, but I really wish I had been able to put it on my old Note 9 instead of buying a Pixel 😑 (doesn't have to be a Pixel, there are other supported devices, but it's easiest and works best)

Have you tried CalyxOS (https://calyxos.org/)? Review from a year ago seems pretty good (fair warning: Reddit link). I'm keeping Calyx in my back pocket in case Graphene goes tits up.

[–] Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Does it support banking apps yet? Last time I tried it anything to do with financials, Bitwarden, or 2FA just didn't work at all.

Edit: and I've heard you can get Google play store on it now right? Cause I'll need all of my apps back

[–] voracitude@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

Yes, I've used all my apps pretty seamlessly. I had to turn on "exploit protection compatibility mode" for some of them like banking, but they work fine. You can get Google Play, and it runs in a sandbox, but I use Obtainium and Aurora Store (Aurora in particular would be of interest to you, it's just a frontend for the Google Play store which allows anonymous connections: https://f-droid.org/packages/com.aurora.store/). I moved to Aegis for my 2FA because I was looking for a way out of the Twilio/Authy ecosystem. I don't play games on my phone, so I can't report back on how those work.

[–] Denjin@lemmings.world 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I use multiple banking apps on my Graphene phone, the only thing it doesn't support is contactless payments.

[–] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 11 hours ago

Yes it does? At least for me the "Sicher Bezahlen" app many German banks use for NFC payments works flawlessly.

Or are you referring to the proprietary Google Pay software? This isn't supported I believe.

[–] Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh that's unfortunate, but I guess it wouldn't have Google wallet on it huh

[–] Denjin@lemmings.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You can get a watch that you run Google wallet on instead but to be honest I don't really miss contactless and just use my physical card instead.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 hours ago

Some phone cases let you put your card on the back of the phone and you can use the NFC chip like that, if you are still missing that feature.

[–] pigup@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Every single banking app works fine, just have to give it full permissions.

[–] Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Okay good, last time I tried it (around 2020) none of my banking apps worked because of a cert issue or something like that I believe. And I don't use small banks just PNC, Capital One, and and JP Morgan.

I douse Google pay though. I know graphene doesn't come with the Google apps but can I install them anyways?

Edit: and 2FA apps had issues too. Microsoft Authenticator and Cisco Duo just refused to run.

[–] pigup@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

All Google apps work, Especially if they're installed from the play store, which I try to avoid at all costs. Duo mobile works no problem, haven't tried ms or Google authenticator. ChatGPT app still doesn't work, but Claude does.

[–] mrlemmyhimself@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Is there an easy way to migrate everything into graphene or do I have to start fresh?

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 hours ago

You can't convert it if thats what you mean. I would hookup your phone to a computer and take any files off it for backup though. Maybe downloads and pictures/videos, stuff like that. The apps and logging into them will have to be redone as far as I know. You can still use the google store though through Aurora, and there is fdroid as well for Foss apps.