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[–] Microw@piefed.zip 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

What are they smoking at Marvel?

Why would you go out of your way to not have Mephisto show up in Wandavision and No Way Home, only to introduce him here? How does that make any sense?

And no, I' not convinced by this show that Riri would actually strike a deal with him to revive Nathalie. Not after Xavier's reactions.

[–] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah, I'm just trying to imagine the reactions. Her mom should be pissed that she revived Natalie but didn't ask for Gary too. And Xavier is gonna be all over the place. And then of course we have no idea how Natalie is going to feel about it.

Also, how do you get a drivers license or a social security card? Do you just say, 'Well you see, I was resurected by magic. Yes, my death certificate is 100% valid. It was not a mistake. I was reconstituted from nothing by the devil in a pact made by my best friend for her soul. Yes, really. Yes, I mean this literally, not figuratively. No, no super-science or time travel. No, not THE devil, but yes and actual demon. My original body? Well that's kind of macabre. I hadn't thought about it. I think since I reappeared in a summoning circle there's about a 50-50 chance that either my corpse is still in the cemetery or an urn or that it disappeared at the same time my living body appeared. I don't know. Age? I don't know, um, it's been 5 years, so why don't you just leave my birthday unchanged. Blipped? Hmm, I don't recall. It hasn't come up so I don't really know if I was blipped or not. Lets say yes, that seems to make things easier, right? Thanks.'

[–] MimicJar@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Her mom should be pissed that she revived Natalie but didn't ask for Gary too.

Her mom was amazed when Natalie first appeared and later on in the series asked if she could build an AI Gary too.

Additionally Mephisto didn't revive Natalie (at the end of the series), he gave Riri the tools to revive Natalie. It is possible Riri will revive Gary next. Riri also didn't seem to fully understand what she created/revived because she didn't expect that Natalie could touch her. I expect everyone is just going to be amazed at what Riri did.

As for paperwork, they live in a post-blip society with aliens, androids and wizards. Sure this is weird, but they'll figure it out. In fact Natalie returning might get the attention of some big names like SWORD or Doctor Strange.

[–] Microw@piefed.zip 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Additionally Mephisto didn't revive Natalie (at the end of the series), he gave Riri the tools to revive Natalie

Where do you take that from? That is definitely not how I saw these scenes

[–] MimicJar@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

First, when Mephisto is talking to Parker, Parker asks if he's going to give him everything he wants. Mephisto responds, "No, I'm going to give you the tools."

Second, while we never hear the exact terms of the deal, from either party, we get the ambiguous time jump where Riri has studied for months and created a new Natalie.

Riri thinks she has created a new AI Natalie, she even asks it to run diagnostics. Importantly she believes she brought Natalie back.

Now in this moment it looks like she's rejected the deal. We see a bunch of formulas, some with mathematical notation, but also some that look like runes. Her magical knowledge might have come from working with Zelma.

But then we cut back. Riri and Mephisto talk more and it's clear that Riri has taken Mephisto's deal. This is further confirmed later when the scar grows on her arm.

The magical knowledge, at least in part, is a result of Mephisto and not Zelma.

Now maybe the deal only gave Riri the knowledge/power to revive Natalie, but even then she thought she was reviving AI Natalie and not real Natalie. As we saw with Parker the obsession seems to be consuming. I expect, like Parker, she won't be able to just stop once Natalie is back. Riri, as repeated by Mephisto, wants to be "iconic". Unfortunately "iconic" doesn't mean "good".