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Jeremy Corbyn hints at launch of new party as leftwing alternative to Labour (www.theguardian.com)

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Jeremy Corbyn has hinted he could launch a political party alongside other leftwing independent MPs in an attempt to offer “an alternative” to Labour, before the next general election.

Speaking on ITV’s Peston programme, the former Labour leader confirmed discussions were under way among the Independent Alliance group of MPs that he co-founded last year.

Asked directly whether they were preparing to form a new party, Corbyn did not rule it out. “That grouping [of independents] will come together, there will be an alternative,” he said.

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[–] RedSnt@feddit.dk 13 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

I don't get why the real left don't unite under the greens instead of splitting the vote.

[–] thr0w4w4y2@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Greens come out with some crazy policies sometimes which turn off leftie voters.

Why don’t Greens align on a sensible, costed and achievable progressive policy platform instead of making half their manifesto fringe issues like banning GM food, banning nuclear power, interfering in medical research etc.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Well maybe then the real solution isn't creating a new party but doing what liberals have and taking over the party. Just like liberals have taken over the labor party why can't left is like Corbyn take over the Green Party?

[–] als@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I mean their headline policy rn is a wealth tax which seems pretty popular

[–] thr0w4w4y2@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 days ago

Yes the concept of a wealth tax is indeed popular in the UK right now, but the challenge as with similar taxes that target the wealthy (like capital gains taxes) is that there are so many loopholes that implementing it to be effective is really tough. An example:

a high net worth individual owns a company worth £100m. what tax should she pay? if it’s a 1% wealth tax, how does that tax get collected? does she have to sell some of the business to the state each year for zero cost? does she have to find another investor to buy some of the business and pay that out to the government?
the business has a bad year and is now only worth £80m. does the owner get a £20m tax break now? should the treasury refund the £1m?
the business owner goes to the bank and takes a loan of £50m with the business as security. what tax is due now? the owner can use the £50m for whatever she wants, but taxes are not due on loans.
she uses the £50m to buy a large amount of property abroad as an investment. what tax is due on those next year? does she have to sell a property every year to pay the wealth tax?
finally, the business owner decides to take a stake in a large overseas renewable energy company and buys a 40% holding worth £10m. what tax is due on that holding and how is it collected?

most wealthy individuals have very little in the bank, and their wealth is based on notional ownership of valuable assets like companies. this is just one example of where it will be very difficult to implement a tax system that doesn’t cause business owners to take their money elsewhere to invest, or on the other hand to have endless court battles to force them to sell assets at some value to pay a tax bill.

[–] hellothere@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Cos they're mad.

If anyone actually believes the greens are meaningfully left wing then I have a bridge co-operative you can join.

They're just crusties who had a wash.

[–] steeznson@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Left wing politicians can't help but apply ideological purity tests to each other while the right is a large tent that all march to the same drum beat.

[–] executivechimp@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 3 days ago

Righty tighty, lefty loosey.

[–] IcyToes@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

There is still distrust of the Greens when they joined that call of SNP and Lib Dems to call for election at the opportune time Boris wanted it. Labour under Corbyn said it was best to get the Brexit question resolved first and it gave Boris his big win and the chaotic Brexit he pushed through.

Don't get me wrong, until today Green's were the best choice for left wing, but it's lacking leadership since Lucas stepped down.

[–] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

There is still distrust of the Greens when they joined that call of SNP and Lib Dems to call for election at the opportune time Boris wanted it.

That seems a pretty shit reason to distrust both the Greens or Lib Dems or the SNP. It benefits only the incumbent Tory and Labour hegemony.

It's like millennials greeting upset over the fact that the Lib Dems had to rethink student loans when in coalition and then refusing to vote for them despite the Lib Dems being one of the only parties willing to come out against Brexit. Muh student loan is worth more than Brexit so I'll vote for Labour that introduced student loans and positively supports Brexit fucking stupid logic.

[–] IcyToes@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 days ago

Iirc the issue was they said they wouldn't and broke ranks for an opportunity.

Lib Dems campaigned on student loans. They got seats and support because of it, and many felt betrayed. They rebrand themselves often. They're the rich but nice party. Free market capitalism with a plastic carrier bag tax. You forget they enabled austerity, and supported health reform that lead to the nursing shortage. They could have held firm on their red lines but they got drunk on opportunity. The question is if they ever cared about Brexit or saw an opportunity to position the party and ran with it.

Trust is a big thing in politics for lefties.