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The story at present has 9 upvotes, 12 downvotes. The OP posted:
… which has 4 upvotes and 1 downvote.
I would bet money that one or two of the upvotes on it are from the .ml moderation/admin team.
dessalines upvoted it
I tried using lemvotes.org to check the votes, but I have had trouble getting that site to work for checking votes on some comments. Not sure why.
Edit: also having trouble checking votes on the post as well. Odd.
I think lemmy.ml defederated from them.
Every other site more or less doesn't care. Your Lemmy votes are not private. But, lemmy.ml as always cares deeply about controlling the narrative, and talking about who is voting and how and how often particular .ml users feature in the voting patterns, disrupts their ability to pretend that they're standing up for normalcy and a handful of isolated "liberal" instances are the weird ones who love censorship.
it would be incredible if they convinced .world to share their vote data instead of having their own instance
It's not really necessary; 100% of what you need gets federated out to anyone who asks for it, so it's pretty easy to just set up a little instance for yourself and then do whatever data mining you want to do.
but for things like lemvotes, they can block the faux-instance that they’ve created to get the data… if they were to get the data via .world it’d be almost impossible (without inside information) to know who to block - and it’s .world, so blocking that is a big choice
You're betting that they would be unwilling to block .world in a way that they would be willing to block lemvotes... hm, you might be right. IDK, I'm just not sure it is all worth that much bothering about. That kind of tit for tat of blocking/defederating and then making new stuff to get around the blocking, to try to force somebody to share information they're trying not to, is just kind of silly I think. Better to just address it by talking it out and being reasonable as opposed to having dueling software systems trying to enforce one person's will on another person's system. But, IDK, good luck getting a reasonable and productive response out of either lemmy.ml or lemmy.world admin teams...
I think whatever shadow instance lemvotes uses either doesn't federate with .ml or .ml blocked it (I can't imagine why they'd do that though!/s lmao)
I suspected that may be the case, but I am still able to look up .ml users and see their individual votes. Wouldn’t defederating from the lemvotes instance block that too?
Just checked a .ml user profile I know to be prolific, the last votes it had were from April 29, so that's probably when they got blocked and it's just a cached version
If you know of a new .ml user that was made after then and it doesn't pull up with them, then that's def what happened
Ah, that would make sense. Thanks!
Same reason .world did probably
Nope, man you just love to spread false narratives don't you?
Here's @NOT_RICK@lemmy.world votes for the comment just above. A .world account.
Well it certainly doesn't always work, so I quit bothering. Interesting enough when I did bother, every DV was from this instance.
Probably most admins prefer not to facilitate petty lemming drama threads like this one.
Yet here we are. 🙃
Use the Fediverse link (the star) not the normal one (the chain) to get the url.
Yeah, tried that, still doesn’t work. Pretty sure they have the lemvotes shadow instance defederated because accountability or transparency is for westoids
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How many monis you gib?
I gib 0
100% are from .ml, Hexbear, or Lemmygrad.
I got curious about one Hexbear user, and looked at their profile, and I learned that no one can name any specific human rights abuses China has ever done, and also nobody "here" talks about Israel's human rights abuses.
Clearly
Those are the most likely instances to believe in conspiracy theories. Spent a few minutes confirming as much via upvote tallies. I didn’t realize how badly lopsided it was, until now.
Yeah. And, also, it is clear when you look at votes that they make organized efforts to "brigade" threads sometimes, all come in and vote to influence the totals, which is something that they constantly accuse others of doing whenever their unpopular views get noticed and dogpiled on.
Every accusation is a confession. Tankies really are like their conservative brethren.
Authoritarians gonna authoritarian
I don't mean to make much out of little, especially when there are real-world enemies that are endangering us all that we could be focusing on. But it is interesting to me how little regard most of the Lemmy communists have, for anyone's right to exist in their space who expresses any kind of dissent or disagreement, and how unapologetic they are about wielding power without regard for anyone except their own faction.
I bet the dv's are from .world brigaders too
.ml has a persistent myth that it's all lemmy.world that is "against them" and dislikes the Russian government. It's part of their attempt to pretend they are the majority. By implication, every other Lemmy instance is neutral, apparently, except "the liberal instances" (which turns out to be basically all of them).
I'm sure the downvotes are from off-instance brigaders, if you want to call it that. I have no idea why they would be centralized to lemmy.world, and I doubt they are.
I go by what I see here and with my own eyes, there.
How did you come to conclusion that the downvotes were probably .world brigaders?
I think we both know how disingenuous this is. The thread posted, dv's started rolling in. And I think it's sad people who vicariously self-validate with hypocritical, attention - seeking behavior in the same manner as politicians they whine about use the same behaviors and same "plausible deniability." Sadder still that rather than taking a moment to explore the reflection of the shadow that got us our current politicians, more of the same behavior.
At least two itt were hardcore genocide deniers wrt Palestine, when I got here and now act like they thought it was always plain to see. I hope the situation regarding Russia, Ukraine, and the USA isn't as dire as that before people start at least looking at information provided by those users, repeatedly, since I got here. Because I used to be in denial, too.
So when did you see the lemmy.world downvotes with your own eyes? Here or there?
Lol I'm just messing with you, honestly. I don't think there is all that much productive exchange to be had here.
I'm not. You know exactly what I'm talking about. And you said you were doing better. Are you?
Yeah. Maybe.
lemmy.ml and friends have a really weird habit that I still haven't completely figured out. They will swear something that isn't factually true, and then if asked to justify it, they'll switch to something the vibes of which more or less line up with the claim, but the facts of which have nothing to do with it.
Here, watch, I'll prove it: Who are the two people itt who were hard-core Palestinian genocide deniers? What did they say that was denying the genocide?
I can guarantee that the statement they made will not be denying the genocide. Absolutely 100% guarantee. Instead, it will be "well they said Hamas shouldn't have raped a bunch of people and that's basically the same thing" or something along those lines. But, the shoot-from-the-hip confident assertion of "hardcore genocide deniers" will turn out to be poppycock. I think it is sort of self-selecting that only people who are comfortable with that kind of shifty vibe-y MAGA-adjacent logic stick around on lemmy.ml, because it is so endemic there that you can't really tolerate the place unless you are fully on board with it.
Prove me wrong. Who are the genocide deniers and when did they deny the genocide? Like I say, in my view there is a 100% chance that it turns out that what they said will turn out to be something different than "there is no genocide in Palestine" but you will make the effort to pretend that it's all the same and so who cares. But who knows, maybe I'm just running my mouth and they are here in all their Zionist glory, in the room with us right now.
I said I'm not, and you want me to embarrass decent people. You're better than this. You're worth the uncomfortable work.
My mental stability or lack thereof has nothing to do with you offering up made-up nonsense to try to prove your points
Okay 🙂
well of the people downvoting this “theory” of yours right now, 3 of 13 are .world so i’d wager that’s a load of crap
and as for brigading, .ml users get downvoted to hell across to fediverse in comments… their opinions are just horrible and their arguments are not made in good faith
Muh evil brigaders