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[–] ddplf@szmer.info 130 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Sure, everyone hates oligarchs. But oligarchs are up there and out of reach, and they are strong enough to retaliate. Instead, you also got these minorities, they're right here in the punching distance and they even may not hit you back.

This is it, this is how the billionaires make Joes fight other Joes and not the rich. This is why we have the cultural war and not the class war.

[–] nialv7@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Ok, say we have a class war now, are you willing to fight alongside working class racists, transphobes, homophobes, misogynists, etc?

[–] ddplf@szmer.info 2 points 1 hour ago

Who do you think taught these people these values?

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago (3 children)

A united public could easily oust the oligarchs and put them where they belong (the guillotines). But that requires large-scale public co-operation and putting aside differences, something the American public is wholly incapable of. I don't think it would be that hard if that was required in Europe.

[–] ddplf@szmer.info 28 points 1 day ago

We do have oligarchs in Europe, they're just not celebrities like their American counterparts. And very few of them are the actual billionaires.

That being said, they seem to keep low profile, maybe they really did learn the hard lesson from the European history.

[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Even in Europe when things would get bad enough for the people to put aside their differences and kill the ruling class, the differences tend to re-assert themselves once the common enemy is gone. That's where things go south. Cutting heads off is like eating potato chips. You can't just stop once you've started. Eventually you're pulling crumbs out of the bottom of the bag.

If it gets bad enough for the American people to unite to kill the oppressors, the oppressors will definitely have a bad time, but you better be ready for one hell of a rough ride after.

Cutting heads off is like eating potato chips. You can’t just stop once you’ve started.

I'm worried about the very same thing. I have just yesterday read about the actual French Revolution and the Reign Of Terror that followed short after simply because - guess what - the revolutionaries couldn't stop killing people, for some reason.

It in fact even went to absurd extents, where they ended up killing other revolutionaries and eventually they themselves got guillotined themselves.

I think the lesson to learn here is to take the oligarch's wealth, but not kill them. In other words: "Tax the Rich", not "Eat the Rich".

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

which is worse, the oligarchy (french monarchy) or the aftermath - robespierre / reign of terror etc?

I'd say france, after, even with the horrors of the transition is worth it.

we killed and forced our british royal oppressors once. so... perhaps... but it's awfully hard to rebuild things once wrecked.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 4 points 1 day ago

Honestly, there is going to be a rough ride either way. Might as well make it useful.

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thank you. So many people lately that think there's some magic "fix everything" button hidden in the neck of whatever top asshole is in power.

Doesn't take too deep a look at revolutions the world over to see that isn't the case.

[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Don't get me wrong, I think we're at the point where it may be the only way out. It's just nothing to look forward to, and suggesting Europe "does it better" isn't comforting.

We’re not incapable, it’s just been thoroughly trained out of us. My dog doesn’t bite but he still has teeth.

[–] swemg@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A real general strike could work

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

*would definitely

There, much better :)

[–] Mossheart@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Only until the technology exists to replace workers with AI and physical robots.

Not that it really matters but replacing humans with machines has been done for all of the industrialized age on some level or another.

Therefore one doesnt need to worry about that. We rather need to take back the products of our labour. And later, we must demand equal distribution of wealth if work ever became obsolete, which isnt gonna happen imo.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not going to happen in this lifetime.

[–] Mossheart@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

AI didn't exist in any commercial capacity three years ago. It's already displacing jobs and capturing hundreds of billions of dollars and the quality and ability has improved exponentially.

I do think we're going to see it this lifetime and sooner than we think. 10-15 years from now, it's really gonna suck being a kid looking for your first summer job.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Mossheart@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 hours ago

Haha, well played. Obviously there are exceptions for every rule.

Musk is thirsty for more cash, better ship some alphas to production!

Thank you, comrade. Brillantly put.