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[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 45 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

tell that to all the civilians in Guantanamo and Gaza.

if the first aggressor doesn't give a fuck about rule of war, it can't complain about them

[–] Woht24@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago

Putin has been doing it for nearly 3 years now

[–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 20 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Or Ukraine's civilians. Or the 500k--2M dead civilians during the war against Iraq. Oh, sorry, those were "collateral"...

Usually citizens are not considered fair targets. They're just targeted all the same.

Iran does not have the military capabilities to fight off Israel, let alone the USA. So they will most likely use terrorist attacks, targeting civilians, because that's the best hope they have to end the war: when the people back home get serious about ending it as they're taking losses.

Unfortunately, and as usual, the very important people who decide to keep going or stop are also the least likely to see their life at risk. And in this case, they also happen to not give a flying fuck about civilians lives.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 6 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (2 children)

So they will most likely use terrorist attacks, targeting civilians, because that’s the best hope they have to end the war: when the people back home get serious about ending it as they’re taking losses.

Remember what happened the last time a major terrorist strike happened in USA? That's the number one way to get ordinary civilians of a democracy to support an actual war almost 100%. It's the kind of strategy that makes Pentagon say "yeah lol be my guest let's see what happens".

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Remember what happened the last time a major terrorist strike happened in USA?

The USA responded by attacking the wrong country under the false premise of "weapons of mass destruction "?

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

The USA responded by attacking the wrong country

Not just one! They got Osama bin Laden eventually though so amazing success

[–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 hours ago

Go explain that to Iran's leaders. Good luck!

On 9/11, the message sent was very unclear ("we hate you for your overall activity in the middle-east and the rest of the world" and/or "death to America").

This time, it may be very clear: "that's retaliation for the unjustified bombing of our country" (though Iran had its share of chanting "death to America", so yes, YMMV).

I agree with you, you know: more deaths will lead to more retaliations, from both sides. Someone has to act like a true adult responsible pragmatic leader now. But there is none in power on either side.