Here's a fun fact, did you know that 65 other countries also have mandatory military service, including Iran? Being a class traitor by the law of the state doesn't make you not proletariat.

Abandoning massive chunks of workers based only on their place of birth or the bubble of propoganda they live in is the opposite of every reputable leftist ideology. If your empathy for the people crushed under the rubble of an apartment complex depends on the flag out front then just admit you're a frothing nationalist and stop pretending.

[–] Sandouq_Dyatha@lemmy.ml 7 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, mandatory military service, not mandatory baby killer service, No such thing as a settler comrade or a settler proletariat, a motherfucker who goes into Palestinian homes kills or kicks out the occupants and takes it as his deserves to get crushed by an airstrike.

[–] shoo@lemmy.world -2 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

Total population of Israel: 9.2 million Total IDF personnel (including reservists): 500k Total settler population: 700k Total Isreal police force: <30k

But sure, let's glass them all. Especially the 86% that have no active involvement with what's going on. You sound like a goddamn fool.

Edit: let me cut off the horseshit collective punishment argument before you make it: you're still cheering for your own class to be slaughtered

[–] arrow74@lemm.ee 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I'd be fine if the apartheid government willingly dissolved and created a new system where the genocide of Palestinian people wasn't the goal. A government that didn't attack it's neighbors on a whim.

This could be bloodless, but unfortunately the state will not allow that

[–] shoo@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Nobody expects the state to relinquish power without violence, but that doesn't mean it's OK to cheer clips of massive explosions within lethal range of civilian houses.

I have yet to see anyone share hard evidence that these are targeted at military areas, let alone actually hitting them. Just a bunch of equivocation about military reserves and public opinion polls. Isreal rightfully caught shit for their pager attack being too indiscriminate but an explosion clearing half a city block isn't?

[–] arrow74@lemm.ee 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I think you're forgetting differences in military capabilities.

Israel can be more selective in it's targets in Gaza, but they deliberately chose hospitals. Iran, the nation defending itself, has to send large missile barrages to try and break through the iron dome defense. Those will be less precise

[–] shoo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

I don't see how that makes a difference? Israel bombing civilians with precision doesn't make imprecise bombing of civilians more acceptable. Everyone ends up just as dead. It just makes it more palatable for people who value retribution above civilian lives.

To put it another way: if you want to hit a military target but can't do so without outsized collateral damage, you don't have ethical grounds to make the attack. You don't see people defending the USA's use of Agent Orange in Vietnam just because it was the only feasible way to clear foliage.

[–] arrow74@lemm.ee 1 points 42 minutes ago (1 children)

So what Iran is just supposed to let Israel continue unprovoked attacks? Yeah that's a fucking stupid take.

Also the US was the invader during the Vietnam War so that's a bad example all around

[–] shoo@lemmy.world 1 points 12 minutes ago

When did I say that? All I want is for all belligerents to be held to the same standard. Show me the evidence that these missiles are falling on targets with strategic importance; show me that they're making efforts to not waste human lives. It's clear that Israel's attacks are not and they're rightly called out for it. Why is Iran above the same scrutiny?

US was the invader during the Vietnam War so that's a bad example all around

Why is it a bad example? Does being the defender in a war make you immune to war crimes? It's indiscriminate killing of non combatants either way.

[–] Sandouq_Dyatha@lemmy.ml 3 points 14 hours ago

all israelis are settlers

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Here’s a fun fact, most Israelis—bourgeois and proletariat—approve of what the state of Israel is doing in Gaza.

These are fascists. If there’s anything to be learned from WWII, it’s that no one is more antifascist than communists.

If your empathy for the people crushed under the rubble of an apartment complex depends on the flag out front then just admit you’re a frothing nationalist and stop pretending.

Palestinians don’t have a nation. They’ve been under occupation by European settler-colonists for about 80 years.

Palestinians have the right under UN law to struggle against their occupiers by any means necessary, including armed struggle, while the State of Israel, as an occupier, has no right to “self defense.”

As for Iran, it is an anti-imperialist state retaliating against an unprovoked attack by an imperialist state, which it has the right to do by UN law. Marxist-Leninists give Iran our critical support[^1] in the struggle against imperialist states, not to mention the struggle against genocide.

[^1]: Critical support is supporting something while also being critical of its flaws.

[–] shoo@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Holy fuck you don't even know what a nation is lmfao

If there’s anything to be learned from WWII, it’s that no one is more antifascist than communists.

If you knew anything about WW2, you'd know that strategic bombing of population centers was a futile effort that wasted lives. Allies and Axis both admitted it, and the Allies even stuck to day bombing to limit collateral damage.

I've been asking up and down this thread for any context on what these bombs hit, any evidence at all, and all I get is equivocation like yours.

Your "critical support" isn't very critical at all, it's pretty one dimensional. Isreal bombs a population center: bad. Iran bombs an Isreal population center: good. I've seen no depth beyond that.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Holy fuck you don’t even know what a nation is lmfao

I do, actually, but since you were the one talking about nations’ flags, I assumed that you didn’t know the difference between a nation and a state. Israeli Zionists clearly do know the difference, and they want an ethnically-cleaned, “Greater Israel” nation-state. Because they’re settler-colonialists; they’re fascists.

Allies even stuck to day bombing to limit collateral damage.

No, they did it in order to hit their targets, which were often cities. The US also dropped two atomic bombs on city centers with no warning at all.

Isreal bombs a population center: bad. Iran bombs an Isreal population center: good.

Obviously neither one is “good.” You’re putting words in my mouth.

[–] shoo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

You're just wildly incorrect on all fronts here.

since you were the one talking about nations’ flags

A nation is not a nation state, and a population doesn't have to be a sovereign state to have a flag.

No, they did it in order to hit their targets, which were often cities.

Exactly, to limit collateral damage. Germany (and the RAF's night bombing, to be fair) also targeted cities with strategic war industries, they just cared more about their pilots' safety than civilian lives.

You’re putting words in my mouth.

I'm not at all, I'm pointing out the lack of criticism for clips like the one above. There's not even reserved judgment until we know what got hit and who died, just full throated support based only on the name of the city being bombed. I'm the only one here wanting evidence that these attacks are targeting anything of value and limiting non combatant deaths.

Remember when Israel was criticized for half-hearted pamphlet dropping to warn of barrages? All the scorn at Israel's reports of the use of human shields? The outrage over bombing population centers and refugee camps allegedly hiding rockets? Zionists saying Palestinians deserved bombing because they elected Hamas and had parties celebrating Oct 7 and X% of Palestines supported Y?

I'm seeing the exact same comments in reverse. Just read the comments on this post. But this time nobody bats an eye because the "right" people are dying.