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[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 43 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I don’t think that’s true. There were violent riots accompanying every major social change in at least recent history.

And famously, it took an entire fucking war to end slavery in the United States.

[–] cynar@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

Often it's the shadow of violence that is most effective. A peaceful protest, that is safe enough for families etc is perfect for snowballing. Focused action and the threat of counter violence keeps the government in check.

Too violent, and the support collapsed, letting the police simply overwhelm it. Too passive, and the whole thing can be ignored.

The Irish troubles are a good example. Protests and marches showed popular support. While the Sinn Fein party provided a political face. The IRA then made sure that proper attention was paid. All 3 were required to achieve their goals.

[–] mrmanager@lemmy.today 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Now we are debt slaves instead. Success.

[–] CalipherJones@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm wary to use terms like debt slavery or wage slavery because it downplays the horrors of actual slavery.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 day ago

Yeah there are certainly logistical comparisons that could be made, but like c'mon... actually being completely and legally owned would suck so so so so much worse. Just another reminder of what's at stake if we don't put up a fight.

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 5 points 1 day ago (5 children)

it took an entire fucking war to end slavery in the United States.

Well... how's that going?

[–] CalipherJones@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

A hell of a lot better than before that's for sure.

[–] Nima@leminal.space 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

if you confused about slavery legality in the united states, slavery is illegal.

hope this helps you.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago

https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/2020/10/how-private-prisons-profit-from-forced-labor

It's still kinda legal, just takes some extra steps and signatures, and a bribed judge - of which there are many.

That's also setting aside people that are effectively slaves to low wages, unable to do anything but work with no chance for upward mobility.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago

Well I mean, slavery is still illegal. Black people are able to vote, hold office, own property, etc.

There’s still a lot of social injustice to solve but there’s been a lot of progress, albeit slow.

[–] FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

The lesson is to not take your boot off of the vanquished evil.

[–] DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago