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Israel’s defense minister warned Saturday that “Tehran will burn” if Iran continues firing missiles, as the two countries traded blows a day after Israel launched a blistering surprise attack on Iranian nuclear and military sites, killing several top generals.

Israel’s military said the strikes also killed nine senior scientists and experts involved in Iran’s nuclear program. Iran’s U.N. ambassador said 78 people were killed and more than 320 wounded.

Iran retaliated by launching waves of drones and ballistic missiles at Israel, where explosions lit the night skies over Jerusalem and Tel Aviv and shook buildings. The Israeli military urged civilians, already rattled by 20 months of war in Gaza sparked by Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack, to head to shelter for hours. Health officials said three people were killed and dozens wounded.

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[–] nichtsowichtig@feddit.org 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

the mullah regime is pretty fucking awful.

[–] flandish@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And that means they cannot have nuclear energy?

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It means take anything they say they're doing with a block of salt.

[–] flandish@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

same in all directions, really.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And yet you seem to be taking one side at face value while dismissing the other out of hand...

Seems less about reasonable skepticism and more about implicit and unreasonable bias.

[–] flandish@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I’m saying that one nation has no “right” to stop the internal actions of another, especially a nation who is committing genocide at this very moment.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

But that wasn't your original point, your original point was that one side was bad and the other wasn't. That was the entire crux of this argument. Are you abandoning that now to just say "Israel bad, all else is irrelevant"?

[–] flandish@lemmy.world -5 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

where did I say one was not bad? I simply said differences. One signed a nonpro agreement. one is doing a genocide.

All nations are bad. They should not exist.

None have the right to “stop” another from progression in a promised fashion by “preemptively” striking.

And just to close the convo, yes, fuck Israel.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago

Your very first comment. Where you responded to someone saying people shouldn't be on either side because they're both bad, you said we should be on one side because the other is bad. That's saying one is bad, one is good, unless you're saying we should be on the side of a bad guy.

You're right that Israel is in the wrong. They made an attack on a sovereign nation, mostly to distract from that genocide you speak of.

That has nothing to do with Iran being in the wrong, though, which these days they regularly are. And thus we shouldn't take their claims that they're on the up and up and totally good guys at face value.