THE POLICE PROBLEM
The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.
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ALLIES
• r/ACAB
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INFO
• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
• Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom
• Killings by law enforcement in the United States
• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
• When the police knock on your door
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ORGANIZATIONS
• NAACP
• National Police Accountability Project
• Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration
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I hope the reply from protestors is...
We will kill you
If you forget that you are public servants, and you ignore our Constitutional rights, then you have no authority under that same Constitution.
If you hit one of us, then we are going to hit back, and we outnumber you 50-1. If you let the dogs loose on us, then we will kill the dogs, and the officer that looses them, as this is a lethal action with the intent of bodily harm.
If you gas us, or shoot us with "less lethal" weapons, then we will defend ourselves with as much force as necessary. We are exercising our rights as citizens, you are public servants with the express purpose of protecting citizens and upholding our rights. Police authority is written on the back of the social contract that enshrines our rights. You can't rip up one without ripping up the other.
See you motheruckers on the street.
PS. Every protestor there ought to show up with an open carry, preferably a longarm.
Check your local laws before you open carry. Many cities have outlawed open carry. I'm not even allowed to have a baseball bat in San Diego.
Who cares if something is “against the law” when the law enforcement is corrupt?
Because you'll be the only one carrying, so they will just arrest you on sight for breaking the law. You have to be thoughtful, they don't.
You need a critical mass to do that, which we don't have quite yet.
Also if we get a critical mass, then the NG and Marines get deployed.
Once the NG/Marines get involved, America is completely fucked. The protestors may still outnumber the LEO's but they have the weapons, training, and experience that evens the playing field.
Which is why Iraq and Afghanistan were decided so quickly.
My 2nd Amendment right transcends such.
For about 30 seconds till they shoot you first for breaking local statutes.
They don't have to think about their actions, theirs are protected. You have to think about yours. Without outnumbering them 10 to 1, then you're just throwing away both those rights, and your life. Best case you end up a felon with no 2nd amendment rights. Worst case you end up dead.
Only matters if you show up as an organized armed force; if it's just you, they'll just shoot you.
Aren't ANTIFA organized at times?
I can appreciate and agree with this to some extent, but the entire point of this is to provoke exactly that reaction so that they can justify the horrors they want to carry out.
I can't think of a counter except to be willing to be the first side shot. then clear out, then the NEXT day return armed. Put that space in there, a clear timeline of how the violence started, who started it, something of record. THEN you come back.