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[–] carlossurf@lemmy.ca 114 points 2 days ago (6 children)

All those morons who voted for trump hope you enjoy being even more broke for the next decade and your sons going to war to die so rich cunts can get richer

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 days ago

This is one of those cases where both sides really are the same.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

As if this only started under Trump...

[–] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Him pouring gasoline on the fire sure as shit didn't help.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not did it help when Biden did, what's your point?

[–] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Biden was not nearly critical enough towards Israel, he did not stop supplying them with weapons, but it seemed like he was at least not happy with what Netanyahu is doing. Trump, on the other hand, is very clear in his explicit approval and practically daring Israel to do more. There is a difference.

Both are bad, both are wrong, but even you have to be able to see that one option is worse than the other.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

but it seemed like

Pure vibes based politics

The fan fiction you've written in your head to justify your teams support of genocide does not actually make a real difference.

In the real world, the one where facts matter, Biden was full throated and active in his support of Israel, to the point of going up and repeating lies about beheaded babies.

but even you have to be able to see that one option is worse than the other.

It's telling that even you cannot justify the actual actions of the Biden administration, so you have to make up your own fantasy version to defend them.

The only difference between Trump and Biden on Israel is that, under Trump, liberals like you stop engaging in mass genocide denialism to defend their team.

[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Iran is a paper tiger. A war of that scale can only be fought if the other side has the capabilities to fight back, Iran does not.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 2 points 2 days ago

Yeah, I am a bit shocked at Iran's level of incompetence. Lol, I remember when Kamala confidently proclaimed that "Iran is America's biggest adversary."

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So much of a paper tiger that thry need support for all the west

[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What has Iran done that actually constitutes a proportional response? Every time they get humiliated by Israel, they shoot a bunch of empty missles and then claim that they destroyed Tel Aviv, even though more than 90% of their missles don't hit anything.

[–] no_more_dogz@endlesstalk.org 0 points 1 day ago

That's the sad part. If the US weren't protecting a fascist ethnostate they would learn their lesson.

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Videos show the opposite of what you claim

[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What videos? Besides we're going off of assessed damage. Israel kills Haniyeh in Tehran and Iran shoots a bunch of empty missles that barely hit anything. Israel kills 20+ of their top commanders in one night and Iran again shoots a bunch of empty missles that barely hit anything. Israel neuters Hezbollah, Iran does nothing. Israel bombs the Iranian embassy in Syria, and Iran does nothing. Mossad agents have been confirmed being literally everywhere in the Iranian state, and they do nothing.

Iran hasn't done any percesion strikes or targeted assassinations or caused any damage to Israeli defenses or destroyed any critical Israeli infrastructure or any covert intelligence operations. They've done nothing because they can't do anything. The Iranian regime literally made destroying Israel a core part of their identity, and over the past few years, Israel has been destroying them without any pushback. For a regime that brags about their prowess and capabilities, why haven't they used them already? The answer is simple, Iran is a paper tiger.

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Videos of israeli filming the damage despite israel trying to censor them. There is already dozens of reported injured israelis.

The real plan is to do a regime change it won't happen

[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Are you hearing yourself? You sound ridiculous.

Results of Israel's attacks:

  • 20+ of the IRGC's top commanders

  • Invaluable nuclear scientists

  • Military systems sabatoged

  • Nuclear facilities damaged

  • Airfields and other critical infrastructure damaged

Results of Iran's retaliation:

  • A couple dozen Israeli civilian injuries

  • A few damaged buildings

These are not at all comparable. Clearly did way more damage to the Iranian regime, and Iran's response is undeniably weaker.

[–] no_more_dogz@endlesstalk.org -2 points 1 day ago

Aren't you a genocide apologist? Can't believe you're still allowed to talk here.

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Again winning is based on objectives. Israel will never reach it objective of a regime change unless there is a ground operation of multiple years. Similar on how hizbollah was considered the winner despite israel have significally less casualities in 2006.

It's not the first time iran lost scientists and top leaders

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/damage-iranian-nuclear-sites-so-far-appears-limited-experts-say-2025-06-13/

[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Israel's objective isn't regime change. They would welcome a regime change, but that has never been the objective. The actual objective has been to dismantle Iran's ability to project power. This means stopping them from getting nukes, having a capable military, and having reliable proxies. They've been doing a good job doing all of this over the past few years, and this attack is another example.

On the other hand, Iran's explicitly stated objective is to destroy Israel... And they haven't done a thing to get anywhere near that.

You're simply being dishonest by trying to pretend that Iran is somehow keeping up or exceeding Israel in their back and forth when they're very clearly and objectively not.

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

good thing I stoped giving a shit if their kids die.

[–] HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Guess I'm dead. Good riddance.

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

Of course with the exception of those who know their parents are shit

[–] brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 6 points 2 days ago

Don't blame it just on trump voters, any cents you ever paid to the government also went into this.