Hey m@tes, as y'all know, this instance has been anti-corporate GenAI positive since it's creation and as such we've typically allowed such content to be posted freely. However in the last few weeks we've had a bunch of drama from GenAI haters who insist on coming into our comms and starting slap-fights. This caused us to vote on a new rule to have the mandate to clear out this constant friction. This worked to an extent, but I think we can help foster a better community with the larger threadiverse.
One issue a lot of anti-GenAI people keep bringing is that while they can block dedicated comms like !stable_diffusion_art@lemmy.dbzer0.com, they don't have an easy option to avoid GenAI content in random other /0 comms as there's no way to filter it out. This kind of content has been seen to cause a lot of strife, because people complain about its existence, while /0 admins and mods based on the above rule, tend to sanction those complaining. This then causes drama loops with /c/YPTB and /c/FuckAI etc.
There is a good point to be made here that while we don't mind GenAI content in /0, there isn't a reason to not help others avoid it. So we want to institute the following soft rule by now:
Simply tag your posts which consist of primarily GenAI content with the [GenAI] tag in their title. Not only will frontends like Tesseract will natively parse this as a tag and display it accordingly, but people who dislike such content, can simply filter it out of their feeds. Eventually lemmy will add tags which will make this tagging more seamless, but for now a manual tag in the title will suffice.
This rule only applies to posts in non-explicit GenAI comms. The assumption is that people can simply block those comms completely anyway.
As I said, this is a soft rule for now. Soft in the sense that you're not going to be sanctioned for forgetting it, but we hope people will remind you to do so. This is a good-faith attempt by us to co-exist and help others avoid what they don't want to stumble onto, much like [NSFW] tags. So I hope you'll add do a good faith attempt to help us in this. Furthermore, people who come to posts tagged as GenAI explicitly to scold and start slap-fights, will give the admins and easier justification to clean up, since they could have just filtered out that content in the first place.
Cheers
i understand what youre saying, no ethical consumption etc etc, but gen ai to me is akin to buying from Amazon, or eating meat and dairy products. like yeah, one person doing it isnt the issue, and its normalised and easy, and todays hypercapitalism is the root issue of why these things are bad so its not really your fault.
if you cant/ wont take these things into account with your stated moral attitudes (anti capital/ corporate, pro environmental, etc) then why say you are an anarchist?
idk if this makes sense, and im not trying to take away your lefty badge or whatever, but shouldnt we try to not use the tools of the ownership class? shouldnt we try to uplift our fellow workers instead of freely using tools we know steal their labour?
You seem to believe that all of the genai platforms are Gemini, copilot, etc.
This is decidedly untrue.
There are many models built entirely on public domain works, not made by or for the benefit of any corporation or business entity.
I have personally built models (not llm, thats not my use case) for identifying certain movement patterns in animals. I have made others to identify problems in audio.
The sampled data is all mine. There is no company backing it, no corporate overlord.
Capitalism is not involved.
In what way is it a "tool of the ownership class" for me to use my own models for my own use?
In the same vein, in what way are generative ai models, developed on readily available, public domain materials, provided equally to all possible both as the model (as well as available processing for free as you'll find here) a "tool of the ownership class"?
I'm not trying to be dismissive here, but what it sounds like to me is that you have limited knowledge of these solutions, and are suggesting all of them are owned by MS/Google/Meta/OpenAI/etc, and that isn't remotely accurate.
Thats like saying I shouldn't use a wrench I made in my metal shop at home, because Snap-On makes wrenches, so wrenches are a tool of the ownership class.
wrench analogy is very good, ai can be used as a tool.
i would like to see the numbers of people using 'off the rack' vs home grown on this site. maybe that would help me change my mind further :)
I'd have no way of gathering those numbers, but considering what this instance is all about, I'd feel comfortable saying the numbers would lean heavily toward locally run.
There is even an ai horde here run entirely with volunteered compute.
Here's a two year old post about it.
Short version, from admin down to lowly users like myself, the people on dbzer0 are all about locally run (and sometimes publicly shared) approaches to genai.
Edited to add: And yes, thats exactly what I use my own genai stuff for primarily, tools to make my life easier. I have a model I've trained on my own writing (mostly white papers, blog posts, and emails) to generate responses to emails - including for my work.
Its still a WIP unfortunately, but its getting better as I tweak.