Hey m@tes, as y'all know, this instance has been anti-corporate GenAI positive since it's creation and as such we've typically allowed such content to be posted freely. However in the last few weeks we've had a bunch of drama from GenAI haters who insist on coming into our comms and starting slap-fights. This caused us to vote on a new rule to have the mandate to clear out this constant friction. This worked to an extent, but I think we can help foster a better community with the larger threadiverse.
One issue a lot of anti-GenAI people keep bringing is that while they can block dedicated comms like !stable_diffusion_art@lemmy.dbzer0.com, they don't have an easy option to avoid GenAI content in random other /0 comms as there's no way to filter it out. This kind of content has been seen to cause a lot of strife, because people complain about its existence, while /0 admins and mods based on the above rule, tend to sanction those complaining. This then causes drama loops with /c/YPTB and /c/FuckAI etc.
There is a good point to be made here that while we don't mind GenAI content in /0, there isn't a reason to not help others avoid it. So we want to institute the following soft rule by now:
Simply tag your posts which consist of primarily GenAI content with the [GenAI] tag in their title. Not only will frontends like Tesseract will natively parse this as a tag and display it accordingly, but people who dislike such content, can simply filter it out of their feeds. Eventually lemmy will add tags which will make this tagging more seamless, but for now a manual tag in the title will suffice.
This rule only applies to posts in non-explicit GenAI comms. The assumption is that people can simply block those comms completely anyway.
As I said, this is a soft rule for now. Soft in the sense that you're not going to be sanctioned for forgetting it, but we hope people will remind you to do so. This is a good-faith attempt by us to co-exist and help others avoid what they don't want to stumble onto, much like [NSFW] tags. So I hope you'll add do a good faith attempt to help us in this. Furthermore, people who come to posts tagged as GenAI explicitly to scold and start slap-fights, will give the admins and easier justification to clean up, since they could have just filtered out that content in the first place.
Cheers
I think this is a nice gesture but I also think it's way too charitable for the Anti-GenAI people currently complaining. Their issue isn't that they want to avoid it, they want to stamp it out, they want it gone. They're not going to hide posts or keywords, they're going to brigade them. They already brigade and harass explicitly GenAI communities and don't block them. They've harassed me multiple times, told me to die in DMs and even impersonated me for running such communities. Tagging isn't going to help, they're just going to use it to hunt down people who post it and brigade the posts or target the users, because they aren't angry that they are seeing it, they're angry that it exists and they wish to stamp it out, no matter the cost.
In short this is a good solution with good intentions but it assumes a level of good faith that just isn't there. I'd agree with this if the problem was really people just not wanting to see it, but the problem is much deeper. I'm sure that once people start doing it, the goal posts will be moved and they'll just stop using "untagged" as a reason for complaining.
Exactly this. These sorts of people don't want to co-exist. They want to bully us out of existence.
Sorry you've had to go through that. I have been through that too (and still have it happen). So I know how frustrating it is. People on Lemmy can be super weird.
I'm all for OP's solution, but like you, I don't it will solve much because of just how much people like to stir up drama. They won't use those tags to block, they'll use those tags to find and harrass.
I don't know what that means.
Common bad faith argument from anti-AI Trolls claiming everyone who doesn't agree with them is using an LLM to write their comments or just is an LLM.
I very much disagree. Insane people on the internet would not need a tag. If there is brigading - or if there is in fact a level of extremism as you suggest - tagging won't make a difference there. The instance is still too small and genAI is too popular around here to imagine that they need any help finding posts.
Tagging is a good faith effort to establish boundaries and maintain the good will of the fediverse toward this instance.
I think - as is always the case with drama like this - there is plenty of good faith, it's just hard to see beneath the small but impactful amount of bad faith.
not to downplay these issues, the impersonation is fucked and weird. but i guess trolls gonna troll and whack-a-mole is the only solution...
idk what else would you have in mind?
I think that the AI friendly nature of our instance needs to be clearly written in our instance sidebar (@db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com and @Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com can help with that) which would help out since the instance sidebar is visible in all dbzer0 communities which are remote. It should probably also be included in the application prompt as a disclaimer, since I'm seeing a lot of dbzer0 people who signed up and are complaining about AI (guys what the fuck are you doing here on an AI instance if you hate AI).
Also moderation, moderation is the only real way to deal with the Anti-AI brigading and trolling. Preventative moderation can also be used as well if things get bad enough and/or don't improve.
We're not an so Ai focused that we need it on the sidebar and the application instructions
What about the rule change we voted on a while ago maybe even if it's not AI specific that should be included there.
Hasn't the sidebar said this for awhile?
It has, but the rules section doesn't clarify brigading Anti-AI or otherwise as one of the big no-no topics. We did vote on a change to the rules but it seems it wasn't implemented yet. Maybe @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com or @Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com just hasn't gotten around to it yet but it would help in terms of it being known that we mean business.