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What are the pros/cons of piefed for someone who has only used lemmy?
I haven't used piefed myself but I wouldn't want to switch to it because I feel like it gives more power to downvotes and karma (or "reputation" as they call it):
Those are three of the twelve points listed as differences to lemmy on their features page.
I also don't agree with some of the points in their article on "PieFed features for growing healthy communities".
The "low quality" thing seems... Kinda bad. If you mostly post in "low-quality" communities you'll gradually lose karma? That sounds like it's just punishing people who are more interested in shitposty meme communities.
The 'features for growing healthy communities' feels a bit opinionated in a way that makes me feel kinda gross overall in some places. I get what they're going for, and I want to be on their side... Maybe it's just the wording that gives me pause.
Yeah I'm not going to move to piefed for that reason either, I hate Reddit's Karma system, which is basically an ass kissing requirement to maintain social credit, though piefed takes it to the extreme by trying to exclude meme communities, to favor downvoters extra hard.
Also private votes seems like it'll be a nightmare. Good luck combating all but the most obvious vote manipulation.
I find a reputation system good, however it should use percentages instead of points to make it different than what the karma system in Reddit was. People are less likely to farm for upvotes when it can only show 100% max.
Afaik piefed does not really show the reputation percentage to anyone (I might be wrong), but just shows a "low reputation" when it is under a certain percentage.
Well, that doesn't matter for blåhaj, which disables downvotes, at least
I see what you mean on the growing healthy communities bit.
That plus private votes, nah, I'm good.
That seems aimed to create a very closed echo chamber.
I disagree. There are tools that admins who want an echo chamber can leverage to help them create one, sure. But that's true for any social media.
It's not as if the Lemmy software has any lack of echo chambers hosted on it.
And there are also tools that help prevent an echo chamber from forming, if the admins want to avoid it (for example, tracking the accounts that downvote the most comments, disabling karma gain from circlejerk communities).
Dude there's a built in social credit system that aims to embarrass or discredit people for having been downvoted too much, that's very different than an admin building their own tools to create that kind of echo chamber, they hand these tools out to everyone on a silver platter. They're on by default, literally every piefed server started with the default settings will have these. It's very different than specific admins choosing to create a platform like that with integrations. This type of social credit system is built right in and on by default, do you not see how this is a problem?
Sounds good to me.
isn't a low reputation indicator exactly what a troll would want?
All the comments from all cross posts on a single page is great. You can also add your own user flair like you could on Reddit, which lemmy doesn’t support. I haven’t messed with it much yet, but the ability to make lists of communities into feeds also seems really useful.
I asked that question recently and got some helpful responses,
https://lemmy.world/post/30977919
tl;dr PieFed has different people behind it, a few more features, and is written in Python instead of Rust (I'm not a coder or an instance host, so don't ask me what that distinction means, but I've anecdotally seen more people saying python is easier to work with than rust than the other way around),
PieFed communities federate with Lemmy communities, tho, so no matter which kind of instance you're going through as a user you should be able to interact with all the communities (assuming your instance admins haven't decided to defederate with the other instance for some reason)