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What is the future of Google Play Intergrity APIs (and similar concepts)? Do you think we can find a way to bypass these, or is the future of the digital world just authoritarian and dystopian? (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 5 days ago by throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

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[–] pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Do you think we can find a way to bypass these,

Yes. Direct physical access always wins. A device in my hands is my device.

or is the future of the digital world just authoritarian and dystopian?

Yes. Many people aren't going to explore the solutions, or be willing to give up the convenience that comes with not changing what they're doing.

[–] utopiah@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

A device in my hands is my device.

Could you then please help root the Meta Quest 3? So far I believe nobody managed.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

We're a decade too early for open source vr.

That's not a VR headset, You bought an expensive Facebook paperweight.

[–] utopiah@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Edit for TL;DR as this became lengthy : agreed, do NOT buy "an expensive Facebook paperweight" but also, open source VR exists today! Depending on your definition and needs, there is a lot that can be done and you can help.

Rooting isn't open source...

Anyway Valve Index runs perfectly on Linux, that's how I finished Half-life: Alyx. I also do already have a rooted Lynx XR1 and a Project NorthStar which is open hardware (even though not OSHW iirc).

There are also :

open source runtimes for OpenXR like Monado,
runtime managers or switches e.g. xr-chooser or openxr-explorer
window managers (ish) like xrdesktop or Stardust XR
browser like Wolvic (with Gecko and now Chromium backend) with cross-platform supports with WebXR
streaming from desktop to standalone HMDs e.g. WiVRn or ALVR
some distributions have dedicated documentation e.g. NixOS for desktop and PostMarketsOS mobile
plenty of tools that run on standalone HMDs as most are "just" Android devices, e.g. termux letting you install NodeJS then run your own on device Web server to code on device, standalone, offline, alternative launchers e.g. LightningLauncher, removing some telemetry and plenty more I'm not even aware of.

IMHO one of the best resource covering that and more is https://lvra.gitlab.io/

So... I'm a bit confused, maybe I misunderstood, what did you mean by being "a decade too early"? Which functionality specifically is missing today?

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The Index and the Quest are entirely different things.

The index is a monitor with sensors attached to it.

The Quest is a proprietary PC with an ecosystem, DRM and billion dollar company backing.

Rooting isn't open source They don't have anything to do with each other other than the fact that you don't need to root open source devices. They lock us out of root because they don't want us to control our own devices, They want us to use their stores, they're walled gardens, and their support for everything which is very un-open source.

My point behind touting an open source mobile VR device would be that it would not need to be rooted.

I looked at the hardware you mentioned and while the open stuff looks very nice it looks very not available for anyone to purchase. Do you expect any of that hardware to be more available soon?

[–] utopiah@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 days ago

for the Lynx (that can't be bought rooted already but takes about 15min to root) I wouldn't buy it right now but wait for their AndroidXR release... and see if that would be rootable. I personally share my Lynx with hardware and software hacker friends nearby because I know it's a relatively rare device.
NorthStar is AR, not VR, and by default isn't mobile but there are compute pack explorations and opaque covers. Honestly if you are not into hardware tinkering I would not recommend it. If you are though then you probably don't need a lot of hand holding, just connecting with peers to learn from each other.
SimulaVR https://simulavr.com/ is very tempting but the price tag is quite high and to be honest I worry that they are following the Lynx delivery delay path. I also haven't put my actual hands on an actual product so I can't comment on it.
Valve itself has been leaving hints for mobile VR and they did IMHO an amazing job with the SteamDeck, namely something reliable (it "just works") while running Linux proper (even though most players will be totally unaware of it) ... but it's Valve. So they will release it, if they ever do, whenever they will believe it's ready. This is also pure speculation! They have not announced anything but they did sell the Index, SteamDeck, SteamVR on Linux, and there are bits of code hinting at a standalone HMD.