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[–] maniacalmanicmania@aussie.zone 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'll be voting Yes. If over the coming months we were to find out that somehow the Voice to Parliament will have a negative impact on demands for Treaties, truth telling, sovereignty among other things then I might change my mind but I find that unlikely. Who knows.

[–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The big problem for me after seeing these is that it seems the government is refusing to give us actual details on what the Voice to Parliament entails. Why are they being so secretive about it and asking us to vote on something that they won't tell us what it is?

[–] maniacalmanicmania@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think it's anything nefarious. More like Labor shooting themselves in the foot by running a shit campaign.

[–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Very possible unfortunately. Not having an answer for basic questions like how many people are appointed, how they’re appointed, and for how long is pathetic.

The cynic in me goes straight to that there’s a reason why they’re not divulging these things and it’s because the yes voters wouldn’t like the answers.

[–] billytheid@aussie.zone 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

More billshit, that assertion has already been directly disproven earlier in this thread. Why are you so committed to posting misinformation?

[–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It was not disproven. If it is then you should be able to answer my questions in the comment you replied to then, right?

How many people are appointed?

How are they appointed?

How long are the terms of appointment?

[–] Ilandar@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Someone already answered this for you here. I have engaged with you in good faith previously, but it's becoming increasingly clear you are completely full of shit and are simply attempting to spread doubt and fear.

[–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm not "attemping to spread" anything. I'm undecided on how I'm going to vote and I'm trying to decide.

Why do some of you guys just attribute everything you don't like to malice?

[–] Ilandar@aussie.zone 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

"Trying to decide"? Let's review the evidence:

  • Repeatedly asks the same textbook conservative No campaign questions in every thread.

  • Refuses to read any of the replies - even when they directly answer the questions being asked.

  • Openly lies and says no one has answered the questions, even when there is clear evidence to the contrary.

Hmm, I'm gonna go with a [X] Doubt on that one bro.

[–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm not a "conservative". Have literally never voted for the LNP. I've voted for the greens more than I've voted for Labor in my 20+ years of voting.

Quit with the bullshit accusations.

What you call "answering the questions" is not what I consider an actual answer to the question being asked. The real answer as I know it now is "it's up to the government post referendum, and can change whenever the government at the time wants", but those aren't the "answers" being thrown around.

You're the person that said unless you've had a lived experience that makes you want to vote No, you should vote yes. That's ridiculous. Automatically assuming it's a good thing is dumb, though I'm not surprised with your "you're an undercover conservative running a fud campaign" comment.

[–] Ilandar@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m not a “conservative”.

I never said you were. Strawman harder.

What you call “answering the questions” is not what I consider an actual answer to the question being asked.

Someone literally gave you direct answers to all the questions you asked, as well as a link to where they could be found. You never replied to that comment. In fact, you straight up ignored it then continued to ask the same questions later as if they hadn't already been answered hours ago.

Automatically assuming it’s a good thing is dumb

Another strawman. Do you have anything of substance to say or is it just going to be crying from now on?

[–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lol we both know you were saying I’m a conservative by saying I’m just repeating conservative talking points. I believe you guys call it a “dog whistle”.

You said everyone that hasn’t had a lived experience that makes them vote no should vote yes. Where’s the straw man? What is it with you guys and incorrectly using your progressive perpetually offended sayings?

[–] Ilandar@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago

we both know you were saying I’m a conservative by saying I’m just repeating conservative talking points.

Nice fanfic.

You said everyone that hasn’t had a lived experience that makes them vote no should vote yes. Where’s the straw man?

This is not what I quoted and responded to. "Automatically assuming it’s a good thing" is an argument I never made.

I believe you guys call it a “dog whistle”.

What is it with you guys and incorrectly using your progressive perpetually offended sayings?

Finally taking that mask off?