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According to the measures, introduced by the Ministry of Public Security (MPS), each internet user in China will be issued with a unique “web number,” or wanghao (网号), that is linked to their personal information. While these IDs are, according to the MPS notice, to be issued on a strictly voluntary basis through public service platforms, the government appears to have been working on this system for quite some time — and state media are strongly promoting it as a means of guaranteeing personal “information security” (信息安全). With big plans afoot for how these IDs will be deployed, one obvious question is whether these measures will remain voluntary.

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The measures bring China one step closer to centralized control over how Chinese citizens access the internet. The Cybersecurity Law of 2017 merely stipulated that when registering an account on, say, social media, netizens must register their “personal information” (个人信息), also called “identifying information” (身份信息). That led to uneven interpretations by private companies of what information was required. Whereas some sites merely ask for your name and phone number, others also ask for your ID number — while still others, like Huawei’s cloud software, want your facial biometrics on top of it.

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Beyond the key question of personal data security, there is the risk that the cyber ID system could work as an internet kill switch on each and every citizen. It might grant the central government the power to bar citizens from accessing the internet, simply by blocking their cyber ID. “The real purpose is to control people’s behavior on the Internet,” Lao Dongyan cautioned last year.

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Take a closer look at state media coverage of the evolving cyber ID system and the expansion of its application seems a foregone conclusion — even extending to the offline world. Coverage by CCTV reported last month that it would make ID verification easier in many contexts. “In the future, it can be used in all the places where you need to show your ID card,” a professor at Tsinghua’s AI Institute said of the cyber ID. Imagine using your cyber ID in the future to board the train or access the expressway.

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While Chinese state media emphasize the increased ease and security cyber IDs will bring, the underlying reality is more troubling. Chinese citizens may soon find themselves dependent on government-issued digital credentials for even the most basic freedoms — online and off.

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[–] kaeurenne@lemmy.kadaikupi.space -1 points 1 day ago (3 children)

For me, it looks like the Chinese government is attempting to protect their citizens' data and information through government actions and trust. Nowadays, people and AI systems can easily mine data and, at the very least, claim it's fair use or something similar, if I'm not mistaken. Correct me if I'm wrong; it's just my opinion. I'm trying to see positively what the Chinese government is trying to do instead of always viewing them negatively.

I don't trust anyone with my information anywhere queerness is not both normalized and institutionally entrenched. Queerphobia must be as kuch a social faux pas as shouting the n word in times square was 15 years ago.

I have other criteria and reasons, but that rules out literally every place on earth that has ever asked me to identify myself.

[–] Hotznplotzn@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

For me, it looks like the Chinese government is attempting to protect their citizens’ data and information through government actions and trust.

This is exactly what China propagates - trust.

One thing that I personally find puzzling is the difference how things like that are framed when it comes to actions by the Chinese government and some Western governments or blocs like the EU. If, say, the EU seeks to introduce the so-called 'chat control' people are (rightfully) criticizing it as surveillance, Orwellian dystopia, and things like that. If China does it, it is to 'protect' people who 'trust' their government. What makes that really strange is that such "the West bad, China bad okay" frames are echoed often by non-Chinese people who know China at best as tourists. (I explicitly do not refer to your post here as I assume you commented in good faith, but in general this is what I observe.)

There is a good documentary about China's surveillance state and the 'trust' the governments propagates in this context. Maybe you can manage to watch (highly recommended).

Total Trust

Total Trust is an eye-opening and deeply disturbing story of surveillance technology, abuse of power and (self-)censorship that confronts us with what can happen when our privacy is ignored. Through the haunting stories of people in China who have been monitored, intimidated and even tortured, the film tells of the dangers of technology in the hands of unbridled power. Taking China as a mirror, Total Trust sounds an alarm about the increasing use of surveillance tools around the world – even by democratic governments like those in Europe. If this is the present, what is our future?

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[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I’m trying to see positively what the Chinese government is trying to do instead of always viewing them negatively.

In this community you're gonna be waiting a while!

But a couple of us are trying to address that, so keep coming back.