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A grim poll shows most Jewish Israelis support expelling Gazans. It's brutal - and true
(www.haaretz.com)
this post was submitted on 03 Jun 2025
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Counter-argument: 7oct attacks wasn't a defense operation. Before you tell me that it was a revenge or "didn't happen in a vacuum", then, again, this is why I refuse to take a clear side as both sides have done terrible things. I'd understand them hitting settlers, but fucking tourists enjoying a concert? Naah. Let them fight it out, I have problems of my own (I'm from East Europe with looming russian invasion)
You'd be wrong though. Hamas targeted soldiers not tourists. You are blaming the deaths resulting from the Hannibal Directive on Hamas.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-officers-invoked-defunct-hannibal-protocol-during-oct-7-fighting-report/
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-07/israel-hannibal-directive-kidnap-hamas-gaza-hostages-idf/104224430
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/yoav-gallant-admits-to-authorising-hannibal-directive-during-october-7-attack-7663931
Putting Hannibal Directive aside. Let's say if Russian troops occupied your country for a number of years or decades and eventually hosted a concert on your former hometown, then some resistance group ended up killing some tourists at the concert during the crossfire. Would you be both-siding it?
Let's assume you would view both sides: the invaders and the resistance as bad, would that justify a genocide?
Honestly, as a history buff, you don't make much sense to me. Look up what Roman empire did in that region and how name Palestine came to be (around 300ce). You might realize how calling me wrong in that context is pretty ignorant. I'm staying centric.
Another fun reading for you: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ancient_Israel_and_Judah
How is this relevant to 2025? But because you brought it up, here's a quote by none other than Israel's first prime minister.
Also the Roman Exile ended with the Muslim conquest of the Levant.
So how again are you staying a centrist on a genocide of the indigenous peoples by foreign settlers? Mr./Mrs. History Buff? Does it make sense to go near 2000 years to justify a genocide when the modern settlers aren't even from the region? Would you do the same and say Russians are Balto-Slavic people and returning to their ancestral lands? There's more a more recent genetic and historical presence in Eastern Europe for Russians than there is for Zionist settlers in Palestine.
The origin and migration of Slavs in Europe between the 5th and 10th centuries AD:
Because it borderline sounded like you claimed Jews simply appeared there during WW2 and started occupying whatever they could. That is factually wrong as there is a deep Jewish history to said region. And before you throw some genetic argument at me about how those are Europeans that migrated here, understand that Jews are ethnoreligious group, not a genetic group like slavs. It doesn't matter if you, a muslim, were born in opposite side of the world. There is a place where it will be always sacred for you, a home, written in blood and history, a home disregarded by many, but then those many keep finding Jewish artifacts there.
Your upcoming quote pretty much confirmed what I'm trying to say.
I was quite clear about "both sides are terrible". That is in no way justification for any of their actions, it roughly translates to "This shit is fucked up so hard from all sides that I can't get morally invested in this for my own sanity and rather focus on my own region". If you actually assumed that I'm supporting Israel's actions, then you haven't been following what I'm saying.
But the thing is, that argument is never used in real life, by anyone, and so you're not hearing counter-arguments. No one is saying that Russia wants to take over Baltics because genetic or historical presence. That is simply not an argument here, and I don't think you fully understand what "Slav" is, as it's not some Russian origins. At least I'm not aware of it. I also never claimed that about Israel and Gaza (you keep assuming things, falsely). Israel has expanded far beyond what is theirs.
It started before WW2, but that's basically what happened. It is a colonizing mission and they admit it themselves.
It does matter. Muslims from Malaysia or wherever have no right to expel the indigenous people of Makkah and Medina if one day they converted to another religion. Just because they Zionist invaders are Jews doesn't give them a right to colonize Palestine. Palestinians don't lose their right to their ancestral lands because they are no longer practicing Judaism or Christianity. It is not a sensible argument. Would neo-pagans who worship Zeus have a right to expel Greeks because the majority of Greeks today are Christian? Zionist settlers have no legal or historical right to Palestine.
So Russians only need to make the argument for them to have the right to colonize the rest of Eastern Europe? Russians are Slavs who speak a Slavic language.
None of it is theirs. European, Iranian, Amazigh and Indian settlers reviving Hebrew and practicing Judaism are still not indigenous to Palestine and have no claims to it whatsoever.
Are you AI? Because you keep repeating things I was pretty clear about I don't support. Ie. For the third time, I never said I support their colonization, yet you keep talking about it. You also keep downvoting all my comments, yet I never downvoted not even one from you. Sorry, but I do not feel like engaging with you any further as you seem toxic and not clear-headed.