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Original question by: @poppichew@piefed.social

If you buy things to any extent, you've probably got some leftover packaging hanging around. What are some cool ways you've found to make use of all these materials? Special props to ideas that can be replicated!

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[–] poppichew@piefed.social 1 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Hehe! Hey! I'm a sleepy one, so I might respond with more goob than usual. I like to use these natural wooden pencils to draw and write with. For the longest I would only allow myself to use pens, as I liked the flow of ink (ballpoint sans gel so I guess I would hate monte blanc stuff cause I heard it's buttery smooth) and I wanted to fight my perfectionist tendencies by taking away the ability to erase things. I'm much happier now after years of training doing stuff like that, but revisitng pencils felt like meeting up with an old friend. I like that with a single pencil and some mindful technique you can do quite a variety of work. The pencils came with the sharpener (believe it or not) and I figured might as well have a meet b. Before I was hacking at stuff with an xacto like an animal. Your design is much cleaner and minimalist as compared to mine (although we have parts that meet for sure). I would stick a Japanese style break-off razor on there before I stuck a boxy little sharpener. I think it'd fit the vibe more too. You could always run it across your pants pending they could take it, before putting the knife back after sharpening.

I swear, I started with my design sort of open face sandwich and when I added that flap to enclose the whole thing it all came together and I loved it even more. I like your design, and it probably isn't that thick, so it is something to consider because it does add girth to the design. Which kindaaa, makes it less portable. I mean not too much, but it did take up more space in my bag, which is just a tiny little sling. All space counts in that situation.

I actually secretly love a mean blunt pencil, it glides really well (I think blunter is? Idk. I am not a word-wizard. I figure as long as you convey the idea, eh!) and it has a pleasurable feeling. I don't remember how I got a hold of these things when I was younger, but I had a couple of carpenter pencils (I haven't used them in years, I should give them a go again) and they were blunt as the days are long and damned if I don't miss that feeling so I totally get it if you're just highlighting stuff with it. The reason why I need that mean sharp point is because I like to doodle little fine details and they're hard to get without something you could spear a fish with.

I totally want to join this journaling er...instance? I just literally don't know how and my brain is too sleepy-dumb to figure it out. I journal on the regular, in a half-composition book because I am fancy like that. I have a friend who bu-jos like a boss. I gave it a go and realized I need my journal to be sloppy, because I want it to hold space for me. As in, if I am regulating heavily (which I think bullet journals are) then I am afraid that I will BE afraid to put the things I am honestly thinking and feeling on to the paper and hence will not get the things I need to get out, out. I think if I make it more of a organized reflective process it might just become the flossing of writing and I just don't think I need that in my life personally. However, it's damn near impossible for me to find the things that I have sprawled out on the pages like the organized folks do. So you know, it's more of a splatter piece and that does have its downsides as well.

If you do know how I can join this via piefed, I am absolutely there. Or anyone else, or I will give the docs a lookie loo tomorrow-ish? Sometime soon, depending on plans =)!

I love Muttley, he's such an ass! Hahahaha! I mean, idk if you're an ass - you don't seem it, but damned if that guy isn't a little cheeky bastard. Speaking of cheeky bastards, have you ever seen the movie Harvey? Cause it sounds like you might like Trickster characters, and while it's got some bits of its age I absolutely love this film. I showed it to my gal, who hates "old stuff" and she ended up bewitched by it and just knowing that puts a smile on my face. To be honest, and I feel so damned ashamed saying this - I think if I were translated into a cartoon character I'd end up being like Mr. Peanut Butter from Bojack. I had a friend who was obsessed with the show and I told him as such and he actually agreed. Bubble headed or not. Eh!

Either way, it's been an incredible pleasure to have "met" you and regardless of if we can figure out the link thing or not I thank you very much for all this fun conversation =)!

[–] Libb@jlai.lu 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

Edit: sorry for the lengthy reply. I did not realize until after I posted it :p

For the longest I would only allow myself to use pens, as I liked the flow of ink (ballpoint sans gel so I guess I would hate monte blanc stuff cause I heard it’s buttery smooth)

Montblanc does both ballpoint pens and fountain pens. If you're refering to fountain pens yeah, they can be buttery smooth but there are smoother fountain pens and also less buttery smooth ones out there... Despite being a ballpoint and a pencil user, I'm kinda into fountain pens too ;)

I wanted to fight my perfectionist tendencies by taking away the ability to erase things.

Something I can relate too. And a method I can definitely relate to ;)

but revisitng pencils felt like meeting up with an old friend. I like that with a single pencil and some mindful technique you can do quite a variety of work.

Pencils are true overlooked wonders. One could do anything with just one pencil.

The pencils came with the sharpener (believe it or not) and I figured might as well have a meet b. Before I was hacking at stuff with an xacto like an animal.

Beside my portable sharpener that I never use despite it having a neat container to keep the pencil shavings, I use a single side razor blade to sharpen my pencils. It takes a little practice but it’s great (not to be put in kids hands, though as it’s a real razor sharp blade)

Your design is much cleaner and minimalist as compared to mine (although we have parts that meet for sure).

Thx. Would be curious to see yours but if understood you correctly it's a bit too late?

I swear, I started with my design sort of open face sandwich and when I added that flap to enclose the whole thing it all came together and I loved it even more. I like your design, and it probably isn’t that thick, (…) All space counts in that situation.

Indeed. This one is not thick unless you want it to be. Here it is, holding 10 or so cards in its central section (more than I need in one typical session). Next, it’s wide open, and below you can see the folding thingy and holding a bunch of cardboards. I wanted something that would weight nothing and could be used one-handed (book+holder in one hand, the other holding the pen)

I actually secretly love a mean blunt pencil, it glides really well

Nodding approvingly.

I don’t remember how I got a hold of these things when I was younger, but I had a couple of carpenter pencils (I haven’t used them in years, I should give them a go again)

They’re great. And you get two colors in one pencil ;)

The reason why I need that mean sharp point is because I like to doodle little fine details and they’re hard to get without something you could spear a fish with.

That’s why I like fountain pen for sketching, they can be thin as a needle, while being great for general writing too. Magic ;)

I totally want to join this journaling er…instance? I just literally don’t know how and my brain is too sleepy-dumb to figure it out.

I’m afraid I won’t be able to help much in that regard. I even had to check what that piefed was.

I journal on the regular, in a half-composition book because I am fancy like that. I have a friend who bu-jos like a boss. I gave it a go and realized I need my journal to be sloppy, because I want it to hold space for me. As in, if I am regulating heavily (which I think bullet journals are) then I am afraid that I will BE afraid to put the things I am honestly thinking and feeling on to the paper and hence will not get the things I need to get out, out. I think if I make it more of a organized reflective process it might just become the flossing of writing and I just don’t think I need that in my life personally. However, it’s damn near impossible for me to find the things that I have sprawled out on the pages like the organized folks do. So you know, it’s more of a splatter piece and that does have its downsides as well.

I hope you’ll be able to join, pretty sure we could discuss a lot of topics and techniques ;) Also, the more experience we share, the better it is to inspire other people to experiment with their own stuff.

One little tip that may interest you: I index my journals. Not every single page, mind you just the pages I think maybe useful. Some context: I’m a Zettelkasten user (hence me using index cards for note-taking) and I store everything I read and write (and want to keep) is stored in those cards save for my journal. So, for whatever idea or passage I want to be able to quickly find in my journals I will add a reference to it in my Zettelkasten index. Doing that, I can always instantly find back whatever I want.

and just in case you wonder what is a Zettelkasten?. Mine is analog (using index cards) but I know most younger people are into digital ones, using an app of some sort.

I love Muttley, he’s such an ass! Hahahaha! I mean, idk if you’re an ass - you don’t seem it, but damned if that guy isn’t a little cheeky bastard.

Not me at all :p

Speaking of cheeky bastards, have you ever seen the movie Harvey? Cause it sounds like you might like Trickster characters, and while it’s got some bits of its age I absolutely love this film.

Nope, I have not but will watch it. Thx.

I showed it to my gal, who hates “old stuff” and she ended up bewitched by it and just knowing that puts a smile on my face.

I love ‘old stuff’ but I’m an old stuff myself so this may explain :p

To be honest, and I feel so damned ashamed saying this - I think if I were translated into a cartoon character I’d end up being like Mr. Peanut Butter from Bojack.

I don’t know it but don’t be surprised: my spouse and I have not owned a TV since the very early 00s and we’ve kinda stayed out of the loop.

Either way, it’s been an incredible pleasure to have “met” you and regardless of if we can figure out the link thing or not I thank you very much for all this fun conversation =)!

Pleasure is all mine :)

[–] poppichew@piefed.social 1 points 2 days ago (3 children)

No worries, as you can see I love seas of text. I'm a conversationalist, and some of my best moments have been just sitting and talking with folks of all kinds. So eh, I'm loving it =)!

My grandfather he did calligraphy. It was something he picked up in the military, and he kept it with him always. He actually journaled regularly, He told me to pick up the habit, and it's actually why I do it. I don't know if he'd agree with my chaotic manner, but I think he'd be happy that I do it at all. I never looked at his journals, because I think looking at people's personal stuff is rude unless you've got explicit permission. I have heard though, from my mother after his passing that they were practically like records.

Many moons ago I went to school with a bunch of Brazilians and I thank god for their awesomeness! A lot of folk I knew explicitly used pencil sharpeners. They were on the walls of every school I saw. Electric ones in every office. I didn't even know you could pull out a knife and sharpen them, although if you really think about it - of course you can! The Brazilians kept their pencils in tin cases (something I absolutely love to do nowadays), and sharpened them with box-cutters and it gave me that "aha!" moment and made my life! I like that you cut to the chase, and remove the plastic element. I think I might lean into that too, as I am always trying to think of ways to be a more sustainable individual.

Yeah, apologies! I don't take a lot of pictures anymore, because I think phones are creepy fucks. My mother is getting older and she can't/won't learn new things. She loves Apple, and I can't get her to migrate to anything else so I keep a very old (It's pretty much an Iphone 5) phone around to stay in touch with her. I just don't agree with any mega-corporations privacy policies, and so I just decided to pretty much not use my phone unless I am talking/texting with someone I love. It's nice because I never pull the sucker out in public. It's bad because I have stopped visually recording my life in many ways. Yet, I still can't justify an external camera because I just don't think I'd use it enough to keep it. I'm a little mama (as in, I am short and tiny) so when I go into nature, I am not looking to carry something around that can leave me vulnerable. Which kinda scratches that off the list as well. I know most hikers are nice, but that's er...most of them, not all. Eh! People pick victims they know they can take advantage of, and I think a sizeable pre-teen could take me so eh =P!

Quite nice! Hahaha! My secret was that I wanted something I could balance on one knee and be able to draw on without much fuss. I've got a new pad of paper, I think I should start considering making a new guy to take around. You've got me having the itch for it =)! I always cover my things in fabric, because I like to pick out beautiful patterns and utilize them. I also like the soft texture when you grab it. The geeky little stealthy individual in me also likes that people can't really identify what they hey I am holding right off the bat. I really like your design by the by! Looking at that spine "wow-ed" me! It's ingenious! The way I allowed for less/more depth is by sewing a "travel" piece of cloth between the two boards I had. That way if I wanted to add a bit more paper, I could and it had some give, but otherwise the front overlapped the back by just a bit. Not too much, because paper isn't the thickest but I am sure you get the idea!

I have a poor technique when drawing. I wish I didn't. I even trained not to, my hand just NEEDS to touch the paper, I am not sure if it's for stabilization, or what. It's kind of how I have always worked (I have been drawing since I was a tiny little bean) and it's how I am the most comfortable. It drives my partner crazy, because she uses those old masters style of pencil holding (where you hold it by the end) and never touches the paper outside of setting it. So she'll be really loose on the hold, and here I am like a little gremlin hunched over (I know it's bad for the back, but I love feeling "captivated" and this is a part of the process, I am totally going to have a hunch when I am an old lady =P!) and choking the pencil. I feel sort of like a printer, that is jumping all over the place in one area and printing out bits of an image line by line. But damned if that doesn't bite me in the ass if I smudge. I know smarter folks use a piece of paper as a barrier between, but I guess I am not smarter folks because I never seem to learn my lesson =P! I just integrate oopsies into my drawings like tattoo artist do cover ups. I stare at those beautifully thin and gliding pen tips (with that liquidy ink) and I run in terror of them. Just because I have such a messy technique =P! I have trouble controlling them, and a cheap and fat ballpoint does me better than a loose and quick tip because there's still a bit of grip. The friction gives you time to sort of think of where you're going next, and I need that thinking power honestly. I think it might literally be the difference between a second (I just mimed it), but it really does make a difference to me.

Which is quite funny, because digitally I use nibs for art =P! But everything glides digitally, so there it's more so a matter of point.

I have never heard of Zettelkasten, no lie! I think index cards for journaling is quite awesome though! I had thought about it after hearing about my grandfather's passing because they were trying to figure out what to do with his scores of journals. I wondered if there were a process you could follow that could be both neat and compact and that was the system I came up with. I am so apprehensive of digital records for a multitude of reasons. I think it'd clearly be the winner here, but I think it loses both privacy and comfort. I am going to read more about this technique you use, it sounds really interesting. I know this is going to sound psychotic, but when I am done with one of my notebooks, I cannibalize it with a knife until it's little bits and then toss it. Which, probably isn't the best solution for keeping records. Especially because I fill them with not only my feelings but ideas and comments. In a perfect world I'd set them on fire, but it seems dangerous nowadays to do so. I see it as sort of a letting go process, but I should probably look into ways to keep the ideas | records separate from the | raw stuff =P!

My friend who bu-jos by the by indexes everything. She's so freakin' brilliant she blows my mind on the regular.

I am in flux, I am old stuff and new stuff all the same. There is an artist I once heard who described herself as "I never knew I was old, until I went to the doctors and they told me I was." I think I might always be that way. I'm a firecracker by birth, and I think even if I am hobbling around in a rambler or something I will probably still be one. I come from some proud people, and I think there's just a little warrior spirit in my bones. Catch is I see myself slowing down, health issues tackled like they aimed to maim and the hair is no longer a pure beautiful raven black like it used to be =P!

People have always fascinated me, so I have taken in all kinds of interests (media I suppose is what I am talking about here generally) and tucked them away into folds of myself. I like it because most things that I like tend to have a reason, as in a story that I can associate them with that typically ties to a person. I figure that way even if they're out of your life (for whatever reason) you can always bring them with you. And personally, I think appreciation of one's spirit is perhaps the highest compliment you can send to someone =P! Even if they don't know it. That is to say, Harvey is one of those things, but I really do enjoy the flick and I hope (guys?) do as well =)!

Oh yeah, no okay so umm goofabout talk here on the television thing. My partner NEEDS television in her life, I need television away from my life. As in, I cannot think with it in the room, or at least that's sort of how it's been for me. I have gotten used to it, but it still sort of hurts to be honest. I think there's an evil curse that actual televisions cast into the air. I know it sounds woo-woo but they just change the dynamic of a room. I actually welcome them in hospitals and what not, even if it's garbage on because I don't really mess with my phone so instead I just kind of sit around doing nothing for however long it takes (which sometimes can be hours). I tried to get her to meet me on this, but realized she just NEEDS a television in order to function. I really wish I were joking, but it's just how it is for her. So I've invited them back into my life. But also, even when I didn't have one I like media, just in a way that I can control it. So if a buddy recommends something, or if it's something that I am interested in I will watch it. I had a friend (we've gone different ways just because of life) who was a stand-up comedian. He loved, loved, loved Bojack Horseman, so I gave it a go. To be honest it's pretty freakin' depressing and destructive and not totally my bag. There is a character on it who is eternally upbeat but is also a bit of an airhead. I sadly identify about ten folds with his existence and told my friend as such, because he told me he identified with Bojack. While I love positivity, I do recognize that toxic positivity not only ostracizes but also kills. So I think it's good to see the positives but also hold space for others (and all the emotions). Cause otherwise positivity can run everyone and everything out of the room.

My partner had to go do some errands, so I am waiting for her to come back before we go on our little adventure. I'm glad I got this time to respond to you =)! I will look into how to join this instance (?yet again, is it called that? Idk?) and report back! Be well!

[–] poppichew@piefed.social 1 points 2 days ago

I don't know why but it's bugged out when I try to edit this post. Maybe it's too long? Idk. But I am reporting back and I got it to work! Success!

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