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What don't get is why people think something like star wars can't have different tones. It's a big universe with a big story. Just because the originals were these scifi epics doesn't mean a different story set in the universe can't be grounded and dark. Like how 40k can be really goofy and stupid but also really serious and gritty. It depends on the specific story being told within the setting. Not the setting as a whole
It has laser swords that's why
And 40k has fungus space orcs that speak in cockney accents and have the power of belief. And yet still manages to have both really goofy stories, and very serious stories. The Ahriman Omnibus being a really serious story, and the infinite and the divine being a goofy story. Both being within the same universe, but two entirely different tones
Does 40k have laser swords?
Chainsaw swords, which are clearly more badass than laser swords.
They have what are called power swords. Which are conventional swords that can be sheathed in an energy field. So basically a lightsaber if the laser surrounded a regular sword
I stand by my adulterous point
I dig your point and that's very fair.
But I'd also propose the following, if there were an honest young children's show, think Blue's Clues, but in the 40k universe, what would your reaction be beyond laughter? It seems just like such a weird choice, why play in that universe if you're not going to talk about any of the madness that makes it 40k.
I dunno, it feels like we're taking an all ages adventure and trying to make it like everything else.
in the original trilogy billions of people were killed, tortured, enslaved and all of that; in the prequel trilogy, it’s just as bad… Star Wars was never “light hearted”, just silly at times
Would you call the Lion King or Land Before Time "serious" movies? Or, like Star Wars and most children's movies, are they generally fun but with occasional serious moments?
I mean, in Lion King and Land Before Time do:
If yes, then yes they aren't light-hearted movies. You consider SW a light hearted movie just cause you haven't put much of a thought behind what things really are, but SW isn't light hearted at all lol. Unless, that is, for you that stuff is light hearted, but then I dunno what you may consider not light hearted
Almost all of what you're talking about happens in the prequels, where Lucas tried to make it a more serious thing. Lion King and Land Before Time have way more impactful family deaths. (Admittedly, it's been dozens of years since I've seen Land Before Time.)
But if you put the same degree of thought into it, most children's movies aren't light hearted.
Suure, Aalderan is in the sequel; Death Star 1 and 2 is in the sequel; Obi Wan cut the limbs off a few aliens in the first half of A New Hope. Slavery is shown with Princess Leia in the third instalment of OT. There are more women in the same scene with basically no clothes that make you think they aren't "just" slaves. And I almost forgot, Han gets tortured in Ep 5 as well
Like, the hell are you smoking lol
And for all of this gratuitous awful and in your face evil, none of the movies garnered a rating that would shield a delicate child...
I guess I'm smoking whatever the ~~censors~~ rating boards were smoking?
Edit: not censors, rating board. Also, here's the definition of PG 13, the rating ABOVE the ones given to the OG/good trilogy:
Parents Strongly Cautioned, Some Material May Be Inappropriate for Children Under 13.
In other words, in the entire trilogy, which according to you is brutal and grim, there weren't scenes deemed inappropriate for children under 13.
Mobile Suit Gundam is rated pg13 and features nudity, genocide, fascism, conscripted child soldiers, and plenty of adult themes. Age ratings don't mean anything. And you also don't need an R rating for something to be serious or targeted to adults
The Dark Knight from Nolan is also pg13 right? That's is definitely not a children movie.
And is a bat superhero who fight crime with a fucking cape.
A) I think you misread what I wrote where I noted that PG13 is the level ABOVE what any Star Wars was given.
George Lucas, understood that these were movies for children "I wasn’t supposed to say this then, or now, but it’s a film for 12-year-olds,” he says. “In the real world … critics … certain fans. They’re not very nice.” https://ew.com/movies/2017/04/13/star-wars-40th-anniversary-celebration/
Now maybe myself, the ratings board and the writer/director/creator have no idea what constitutes a children's movie but I'd be surprised.
You right I misread your comment.
And I think that most doesn't have idea what is a children's movie, most underestimate what children can understand and make bad movies.
Sorry, I'm not quite understanding what you're saying here. Are you saying George Lucas doesn't know what is a children's movie?
No, George, Filoni, Spielberg and others definitely know and do great movies target for children.
JJ tried and failed, some of Boba Fett directors and screen writer doesn't.
The team of Andor/Rogue one probably knows and are smart enough to know what they want to tell and how far from a children movie their story is, nothing from Andor is target to children audience.
Gotchya, thanks!
How many burning corpses are there in the Lion King? How many of Simba's friends die on screen? Does anyone get tortured in the Lion King?
I feel like you need to go back and watch A New Hope again. It's a lot darker than you seem to be remembering. And empire strikes back is straight up tragic, it isn't even a little light hearted.
Yet all of this stuff warranted a PG rating because the rating board, like most people, including George Lucas, understood that these were movies for children and that the violence was pretty minimal. "I wasn’t supposed to say this then, or now, but it’s a film for 12-year-olds,” he says. “In the real world … critics … certain fans. They’re not very nice.” https://ew.com/movies/2017/04/13/star-wars-40th-anniversary-celebration/
Now maybe myself, the ratings board and the writer/director/creator have no idea what constitutes a children's movie but I'd be surprised.
I'd have no problem with my 5 year old watching the land before time or the lion king (which she's already seen), but I haven't let her watch empire or rotj yet because I'm pretty sure they'll scare her.
You're acting like these things are the same but they aren't.
And this makes it a serious children's movie? Even George Lucas has explained these are movies for 12 year olds.
"I wasn’t supposed to say this then, or now, but it’s a film for 12-year-olds,” he says. “In the real world … critics … certain fans. They’re not very nice.”
https://ew.com/movies/2017/04/13/star-wars-40th-anniversary-celebration/
I really don't get why people are refusing to admit that these are children's movies.
As a whole, the first 6 movies follow a gradual tonal shift. Phantom Menace is goofy as hell because it's the start of the adventure, when everyone thought the galaxy was a little more innocent. It gradually gets darker through 2 and 3, goes up an down with 4 and 5, before ending on a high note. Each movie explores different emotions, and represent the growth of the characters and the audience.