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We should only watch the real old trek.
I mean, it was one of the first shows ever to:
but it wasn’t woke!
MLK Jr himself called Nichelle Nichols to encourage her to play Uhura. First interracial kiss on scripted television. She worked with NASA after Trek to encourage and recruit black and female astronauts.
That's a common myth. There were several others before, some of which also had Shatner as one half of the kissing pair, believe it or not. Trek's was definitely more high-profile, though, and with several of the others it may have been hard to notice with that particular combination with the quality of televisions at the time; European man with Asian woman probably wasn't noticeable on a tiny '50s black and white TV.
Which sounds wholesome (and I don't say it's not at all) until you realize Nichols wanted to do something else, I think it was musicals, and King convinced her by saying "we need you to have representation. When you're gone, anyone can take that position, even an alien" and so she stayed instead of self realization.
Certainly, worse things happened to her in her life.
Have a Japanese character about 20 years after ww2.
Have a Russian character during the Cold War.
If it wasn't for Kirk banging his way around the galaxy, it would have been.
Nothing compared to Riker.
It's all Old Trek that came before the J.J. Abrams movie reboot.
Define woke then, please.
do you kids today really need /s behind every s?
You have no idea how many wild claims my autistic ass has seen that were absolutely serious.
It is because sarcasm needs tone. Which you do not have in text. As there is a person for every possible opinion out there and they have become more vocal in the internet i personally am annoyed by the motion that we are supposed to spot sarcasm. We all should just put that ugly s behind it, it is not that hard.
I guess i should have replied to the comment before you btw.
not necessarily. you need context and it comes from other places than just tone of voice.
if someone just drops "of course star trek is woke" in the middle of written text in random place, it can be harder to decipher the intent than it would be in voice. but the original commenter did quite a good job to guide reader to understand their position on the topic. combined with what community we are in it is a no-brainer.
yeah, sometimes there are stupid people on the internet, but sometimes a joke is just a joke. in the old days when internet sounded like a tortured robot, people used to say "be conservative in what you send out and liberal in what you receive". times have indeed changed, but the rule still can come handy sometimes.
"Frodo didn't offer her any tea"
"And the more they drank, the more sober they were becoming"
Just off the top of my head.
So you disagree that in many online conversations sarcasm is confused for serious statements and vise versa?
No, that's not what I said. Just that to make clearly distinguishable and good sarcasm you don't need "/s". Most people can't, of course.
Then i have to agree and its a good example aswell
were they, or did you just assume so?
Do you really want to say they weren't? Do you really want to deny my experiences?
Edit: don't bother answering, I'm blocking you. I don't like people referring to middle aged people as 'kids' and I don't like people doubting others' experiences without any knowledge about said experiences.
i do. you just did not recognize pretty clear sarcasm, it is documented in writing above. it is unlikely that it was only time in your life it happened. so yeah, some of these experiences in your past were also cases where you did misread the situation.
your badly acted offense does not change anything about that.
All those were token characters regularly repeating stereotypes about said groups, but OK.
Showing people from different sides of the curtain working together in future was kinda normal for science fiction.
The whole PR representation of the Cold War was like "friendly competition" or "hostile agreement" or a schism of the same religion. A good faith disagreement. USSR in some sense pretended to be like USA, but a better one, to bring the next stage of humanity's development. You know all those failed\cancelled continuations, Half-Life 3, KotOR 3, Perl 6, FreeBSD 5 (ok, that transpired and didn't kill FreeBSD completely, but), Gnome 3, KDE 4, Star Wars after 2005 and till being bought by Disney. Or ambitious alternative projects that went nowhere.
At the same time there were various levels of propaganda on either side, at the bottom for one it was the free world about to nuke dem damn commies, for the other it was the civilized peaceful humanity about to squash decadent anglosaxon zionists. But note how both variants imply there is good in the other side, just suppressed because they are possessed by evil.
So - not so strange. People perceive that friendliness as something new and the current hostility as something old, sometimes that's not true. In some sense our time is more chauvinist than 60s and 70s, not less.