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I'm far from an AI hater, but I fully agree with this.
I think there's a distinct business oppotunity coming up for two things: Hassle-free self-hosting and back-to-basics apps and services.
Nobody is tapping into those correctly (you're going to want to give me examples of self-hosted things, and you're wrong), and it's extremely hard to do either right, but if you can figure it out and are ballsy enough to build a proper business around it I may be interested in your pitch deck.
I think these do exist, but they're in such a sea of shit that most users scrolling on their phones can't find them. Shameless apps have an intractable engagement/marketing advantage over them, as do the 'lets get acquired by Big Tech' ones.
I guess big companies could engage in this, but... shrug.
Hassle-free self hosting is hard, yeah, AI or not. Not going to argue with that one bit.
Can you elaborate on "Hassle-free self-hosting" & "and you're wrong"
genuinely curious to see what your argument is here.
Kinda not the point, but at the risk of starting a huge tangent: yes, there are a bunch of self-hosted applications that are reasonably practical and easy to install, but there's still the layer of having to understand how to access a thing in your LAN from each device, and ideally you'd want some sort of dedicated server running at all times and a bunch of this stuff is provided in multiple formats, including containerized versions or versions for virtual machines, all of which is way over the heads of normie users.
The closest to a fire-and-forget self-hosting platform is maybe Home Assistant or perhaps some of the commercial NAS sellers, like the Synology suite of apps that will mooostly set themselves up. Maybe Plex. But even those don't work in quite the way mainstream users think about applications working. You really need something you plug in and it goes. Maybe the branded Home Assistant hardware is closest to that, but HA itself is so overengineered and customizable it's not so much the start of a commercial self-hosting revolution as a relatively accessible hobby project rabbit hole.
Have you heard of YUNOHOST? Thats all I'll ask I dont want to like waste your time if you have and you already have an opinion.
I hadn't, but at a glance, while well intentioned that's pretty much exactly the "still a bridge too far" thing I'm talking about.
Effectively that mimics the interface (bit uglier, but same idea) you get in a Synology NAS or other commercial home server services.
Here's the problem, Jellyfin itself might already be alien tech. The type of solution they're proposing is trying to streamline something end users don't even know exists.
And I'd be moderately interested on it at my level of awareness, but now I am looking at redoing my own self hosting machine from scratch and wondering if some of the things I'm doing with it will be doable with this, so as of right now, moving to it is more complicated, not less.
The bar self hosting needs to be mainstream is this: I click a button on a Windows PC and it downloads a piece of software. I click "install" and said software installs itself like a normal application.
There is now an application I can use to do a thing everywhere.
Alternately, I buy a little box, plug it in and there is now an application I can use to do a thing everywhere.
The only examples that approximate this in my view are Plex (NOT Jellyfin) for scenario one and HA Yellow/Green for scenario two. And even those two will set up the hardware and software but you'll still be pointing at a LAN IP for access. They both will only do remote access via a subscription and a connection to an external could-based service, so they aren't even a fully self hosted solution if you want to go with the "easy" proper external access.