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It seems like people are adopting the Catholic doublethink strategy for Jesus about Luigi. Jesus is somehow simultaneously God and not-God, Luigi seems to be the guy who justifiably killed that CEO and was definitely framed for murder.
The guy's got to deal with the legal system and apparently they won't accept self-defense as a valid justification for icing the prick who tried to deny healthcare. So, don't have an issue with it, but it is weird to see.
Both of those people exist. It is both true that the CEO was put to justice by a hero and that Luigi was framed for murder. He's just a guy who picked a bad day to visit the city.
Alright so I don't think Luigi actually did it. But it's easy to say "Luigi" in conversation and everyone knows who you're talking about, regardless of how they feel about his innocence.
Yeah the evidence is whack but right now the "He did something justified" is just a symbol, if it turns out someone else did it they would take over that symbolism.
I wonder how many guns are named Luigi by their owners now.
I think many people celebrate the person that actually killed that CEO (no matter if it was Luigi personally or not). That doesn't really have to conflict with thinking that Luigi didn't do it. In the first instance he just represents the person that did it because we don't know who really did it.
If you'd celebrate the real killer, then arguing that Luigi didn't do it seems secondary to the fact that it wasn't a crime anyone should be punished for. It's a weird kind of mental backflip to stay within the lines of the current system while supporting actions that are outside the system.
Personally, I've had to pay UHC tens of thousands of dollars in premiums and additional tens of thousands every time I've gotten hurt/sick because UHC covers basically nothing. They billed me $800 the last time I got a tetanus shot. It would have been $150 if I had claimed to be uninsured so it is literally cheaper for me not to tell providers I have insurance.
If shooting a mugger for stealing your wallet is justified homicide, then so was shooting this asshole. I have no issue saying, "I think Luigi did it and he should be free."
I know this is the narcissist prayer and he's certainly not a narcissist (based on what I've seen anyway) but can't help but see each one of these lines unironically applies to the situation.
Fact is profit driven healthcare has killed more people than Luigi ever did, allegedly or not.
The point is a sort of doublethink.
Where in private you celebrate Luigi for what we think he did. But in Public we pretend he didn’t do it to help create a narrative to protect him from the police state.
You're also assuming people are considering Luigi and the shooter the same person. I don't think Luigi shot Thompson, but I also don't think the shooter's actions are all that bad considering the state of our for profit ~~suffering machine~~ "healthcare" industry.
So there may not be a much doublethink as you think. Because its been fairly clear from the start that the evidence against Luigi is flimsy, and the tactics in use and 'evidence' provided by the police are suspect at the absolute best.
Some people think he did it and are pretending he didn't, and others don't think he did it and are pretending he did.
Right now, he's just a name and the people associate with a cause, and the police associate with a crime.
I think there is a little more nuance to it than that. I don't think anybody legitimately believes he did it and simultaneously didn't do it.
There's basically a slider of dialogue ranging from "he ought to have a fair trial" to "he didn't do it" to "if he did it, I'm glad he did" to "we need more Luigis"
People are generally pushing that slider as far as they socially acceptably can for the given circumstance they're in. You're not gonna say the latter things in public or with your name attached out of fear of reproductions.
So what you get is a mixed bag of feelings, which are almost all pro-Luigi even if they're different forms of it.
Isn’t that exactly what I said?
I said people “pretend” he didn’t do it. Not they “believe” it.
It being sorta double think means it's sorta simultaneously two different beliefs. But at its root that's never the case, even a little bit.
Both can be true. He could have done it, and the cops could have planted evidence.
It's like what Mendicus Moldbug said.
It's easy to make someone believe the truth. But to make them believe a falsehood is useful. Because then those people can wear their belief as a uniform.
We just have to believe that he didn't kill that CEO while simultaneously and surreptitiously knowing he did. That is our uniform. That makes us an army.
You are very close. Someone can be guilty and also be framed by a corrupt 'justice' system. They can also do something that can be seen more than one way depending on context, like how killing someone could be 1st degree murder, manslaughter, or self defense depending on circumstances.
In this case it is a mix of being seen as self defense and the police not following proper procedure in ways that promote speculation of him being framed. So from my perspective he likely did it, but if he did it was self defense/protecting innocents and the police/prosecution are trying to frame him for a quick and public spectacle to appease the wealthy.