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I'm an 8 year data center network engineer who recently broke 100k for the first time. When I got asked my salary requirements I actually only asked for 90k as my highest previous salary was 80k with lots of travel, then I found out they gave me 100k because it was the minimum they could pay someone in my position. I've read before about people making crazy salary increases (150%-300%) and am wondering if I played it incorrectly and how I could play it in the future. I plan to stay with my company for the next few years and upskilling heavily and am eyeing a promotion in my first year as I've already delivered big projects by contributing very early. I've progressed from call center/help desk/engineer etc (no degree, just certs) so my progression has been pretty linear, are people who are seeing massive jumps in pay just overselling their competency and failing forward? Or are there other fields in IT like programming/etc that are more likely to have higher progression scales?

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[–] MajorHavoc@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So now I can't do that negotiation again.

You can and you should. Musk's layoffs and the ones that followed are a coordinated press campaign. The total impact on unfilled jobs for IT professional programmers was a tenth of one percent.

But according to the news cycles, without Musk's microservices there's plenty of us to go around now. /s

Yes. Companies are hiring slower right now because there's less venture capital money sloshing around, but they're accumulating company-ending-event technology debt while they do it.

Mark my words they will be desperate for your talents and paying accordingly soon. I predict another big hike in base pay as the game of chicken ends in a mad scramble. We will also see more companies paying long term consulting rates instead of staff rates for IT solutions.

Source: As a developer who hires developers, I'm watching this trainwreck from both sides of the track.

[–] thisisnotgoingwell@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've heard from some friends/family that are trying to break into entry level cybersecurity or programming roles and it's extremely difficult right now, why do you think there seems to be such a high demand for skilled workers but seemingly no demand for entry level?

[–] MajorHavoc@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

That is correct. It's really always been like that.

There's far fewer IT organizations that can safely hire rookies than there are rookies in the field. The correct solution for employers is to get better at their setup so that they can hire rookies, but that's a genuinely difficult challenge that many organizations simply don't have the leadership will or savy to solve.

I'm still incredibly thankful to my first boss for taking a risk giving me a chance to break into the field.

Entry level jobs have ALWAYS been difficult for new engineers.

Name a year from 2005-2023, and I can find you a news article that says that it's difficult for entry level.

Talk to any dev and they'll explain how challenging it was to get into the industry, and they'll give you tips.