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The weird Lemmy propaganda has been very anti Bernie recently. Corey Booker folded like a lawn chair. I want memes of that genuine failure that just happened. This is lazy OP, lazy AF.
Block button exists for a reason. I'm using mine.
The "Israel has a right to defend itself" line is pure misinformation. Here's his actual quote, in full:
"Israel, of course, had the right to defend itself against the horrific Hamas terrorist attack of October 7th, but it did not, and does not, have the right to go to war against the entire Palestinian people."
"the 'israel has a right to defend itself' line is pure misinformation, he actually said 'israel has a right to defend itself' "
incredible stuff from the brightest minds here on Lemmy
If you look closely, you'll find there actually are more words that follow. Keep reading.
He did not say they "have" a right to defend themself, but "had" a right to defend themself against a specific event that occurred. He also makes clear that it is not a valid justification to go to war against all of Palestine.
What issue do you have with his statement, exactly?
Who are Hamas, how did they come to be and what are they doing? What did they do on the 7th of October, 2023? Why does a settler-colonialist entity have the right to defend itself in this given context? Does it have the right on other contexts? Does it not, and if not, what does that change? Do you recognize what you are defending by virtue of your hyper-examining of a statement that doesn't change its meaning even after the hyper-examination?
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/11/28/bernie_sanders_israel_has_a_right_to_defend_itself_but_not_to_kill_12000_innocent_people_in_response.html
https://oregoncapitalchronicle.com/2024/01/16/u-s-senate-turns-aside-bernie-sanders-measure-to-order-human-rights-inquiry-of-israel/
From the same source:
Team Red, the brother to Team Blue in its shared interest in imperialism, can smell his bullshit from a mile away and have no problem pointing out using non-euphemistic terms that are a reflection of how they really think about Palestine and Palestinians, the last question is, why are you struggling with this?
For as long as these questions remain unanswered truthfully, reality will be very hard to grasp for you.
Reading a full sentence is "hyper-examination" lmaoooooo okie dokie
But questioning the definiton of every word of it when it is plainly obvious isn't hyper-examination 😂😂
Thanks for providing more examples of his consistent stance on this for me?? Literally supports my point. So again, what about it, exactly, do you disagree with?
Your "erm, akshually"-esque point makes complete sense when you don't consider Palestinians as humans and have no right to resistance. It's not an opinion, there's nothing to "agree" or "disagree" with.
Now quit squirming and answer each and every single question posed. Or what, you wanna pass on the opportunity to show the 10 other people reading this thread how much you understand the subject, since you libs love to tout "nuance" so much when all you do is play semantics?
Quick question, were the Israeli civilians who were killed in a mass killing spree on October 7th human, too?
I realise my other repeated question so far has been pretty tough and you've had to try to continuously dodge and deflect from it instead of just simply say the thing you actually think, but this one should be pretty simple and straightforward to just answer with a yes or no, right?? You kinda walked right into it, too, so.
No. "Israeli civilians" is an oxymoron: as Israelis are reservists at best and full-time genociders at least. They're Europeans/Americans, and they all had a choice in the matter when settling in land that don't belong to them. History did not begin on the 7th of October, 2023. Refer back to this lovely reply by @m532@lemmygrad.ml who manages to succinctly clear your doubts: https://lemmy.ml/post/29464508/18363453
Question:
Answer:
Britain (the Empire that helped give birth to the settler-colonial entity) Considered Israel Bigger Threat Than USSR in 1945
Please Watch This Before Saying Anything About Israel/Palestine
The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine and the Creation of Israel (How We Got Here)
Whether my questions are answered or not, reality won't be forgiving, unfortunately for you soon enough you'll have to come to terms with it, lib.
No wonder you require such projection and mental gymnastics.
Looks like that one might've gotten you scratched, bloodthirsty lib. Projection of what? And what mental gymnastics? I answered the question straight and to the point, with no fluff to skirt around the question, or any of the questions for that matter.
Seems you just recently found out about these terms, then decided to incorrectly use them to avoid actually engaging with the topic + to avoid any of the questions, because once you do eventually find out the answers to them, you'll come to realize that you're defending Zionism and by extension, US Imperialism.
Eh seems like this is just a lazy repost not something intentional or spammy. Your full quote probably straitened OP out.
You're free to use your block button however you choose. To me this looks like a troll intentionally spreading misinformation. I have little benefit of the doubt left to give out to people posting on the internet
Yeah this guy posts his lunch. He's just a tankie that fell for a pretty meme
That doesn't make them not a troll spreading misinformation. My requirements for blocking are not "literal bot account". Again, you are free to make your own choices about how to interact with the internet
Interesting. I mean, I’m sure Bernie has faults but I don’t really see the point in attacking someone who created and is holding the only tent pole for, frankly, a reasonable middle of the road candidate (if we view him in comparison to the rest of the sane world).
I get giving shit to Corey Booker. People are gray. I can list a handful of things that Corey has done lately that fit this meme.
I honestly don’t even know what this meme is referring to maybe I’m out of the loop.
But I agree with you, attacking Bernie isn’t the way. Reeks of agent provocateur.
My guess is it’s a fresh wave of propaganda to wedge the progressives. What’s new.
People don’t have to be perfect for us to join the cause and make it better. Don’t fall for it kids. We only get out of this if we ignore this bullshit and link arms.
Ps: and look, I get it if Bernie isn’t left enough for some of you. That’s ok to feel that way and it’s probably true for a good lot of you. But attacking him ain’t gonna solve the massive fuckstorm we are collectively going to go through. We either quit bullshit like this or die from factionalization. Like every other movement has in the past 95 years.
I think the biggest reason Bernie gets more hate from the Left is because in many ways people were radicalized by him, and then outrgrew him. He's disappointing. He did a good job of getting many liberals to adopt more progressive views, but he will constantly fold because that's all he can do with the strategy he takes. Electoralism doesn't work, and those radicalized by Bernie increasingly see that and feel betrayed.
There are also those that weren't radicalized by Bernie, and thus always saw him as a sheepdog for the Empire.
Yes, I appreciate that Bernie moved me further left than I was already. Although, if I had more political consciousness before Bernie arrived on the scene, that shift would have happened irregardless. I dropped out of politics for about a good decade (after being disillusioned with Obama's first term) and he got me back thinking that a real progressive had a shot.
But after the last ten years, it's quite evident that the progressive wing of the Dems are merely a pressure release valve, same that the Dems are for the Republicans. It just keeps people endlessly mired within the constraints of a system that will not move leftward no matter the consequences of not doing so.
After reading enough Marxist literature, it's clear Marx was right, and that only a revolution ending in the dismantling of the current system and installation of a worker's controlled one, will create any meaningful and lasting change for the working classes.
Yep, the entire system is built to give the illusion that it's capable of change, while giving all of the reigns to Capital.
A fantastic book covering the American political system, is "Democracy Inc" by Sheldon S. Wolin, which wrote about how the system is constructed to give the semblance of democratic participation but, is in fact, what he terms a "managed democracy", in which the levers of the democratic processes are manipulated to a minute degree. He wrote this book in ~2006, I believe, which just goes to show how long this horse and pony show has been going on for (probably FAR longer).
It's been going on since the conception of the US Electoral system, that's what it's been designed to do from the beginning.
I can see that. I think there was one progressive blip in US politics, and funnily enough Roosevelt was pushed left-ward by the communist and socialists of the era to get the New Deal passed. And we've not seen such a progressive slant in US politics since. That's what happens when you get a major purge of progressive parties from the McCarthy era forward. Communist and Socialist parties used to be much more prominent in the early 20th century until they we're practically eliminated, now they're a shadow of what they once were.
He's quite literally alone in the senate. He cannot do anything do himself, that's not how a Republic works.
I understand that his lack of success is due to the way the US government works. My point is that that's the primary impedement for him, trying to work with a system designed against change, rather than trying to undermine that very system.
What makes you think that would be any more successful?
The fact that it's been the primary strategy for achieving genuine positive change against the will of the ruling vlass for as long as class society has existed.
Sigh. I usually have a personal rule about getting into arguments on the internet but I have no self control today apparently. I'm not even american but this comment missed the point so spectacularly, I feel the need to reply. Not as an attack on the person I am replying to, but almost as an academic exercise...
I belive the message of the meme is that Bernie is doing harm but accumulating support as a more leftwing senator and then failing to actually take any meaningful stance. When people put hope into a member of the establishment that exists to uphold the current system at all costs, they give themselves a pat on the back, consider the job done, and fail to look at other possibilities which would lead to their actual liberation. The idea that he serves to "hold the tent pole" for a middle of the road candidate is not logical because in practice he is no different than the rest of the DNC.
I don't understand how this could in any way be compared to an agent provocateur, but I suppose what is meant is sowing discord more than the more literal meaning. Overall, I agree. This meme is meant to point out that Bernie is actively harmful to liberation of the american people and is meant to ask people to wedge from the "progressives" who seek polite imperialism.
I don't disagree with this statement but the OP isn't attacking Bernie for being imperfect but pointing out that this is by design.
Supporting the DNC isn't going to fix your country either. There is no path to liberation within your current system. Good luck tho ✌️
Weird could it be because Bernie is trying to sheepdog people back into the DNC again?
How on earth am I the lazy one here? You did literally nothing, why don't you make that shitty meme and post it if you want it so bad
You reposted someone else's lazy propaganda. Which is intellectually lazy on your part. The rest of the Israel quote is above and that by it's self should embarrass you if you're genuine.
Sorry you love politicians and can't see or laugh at the sad truth of the capitalist shit hole empire. The only embarrassing thing here here is the loser who goes on to lemmy to karen on memes.
You're ratio'd 1:2+ on Lemmy.ml. Call me a loser when you post lonely pictures of your lunch. And insist on taking quotes as fragments like a fox news viewer...
AAhahahahahahahahaha like I give a fuck about Lemmy ratios, thanks for taking the time to view my profile, it is Friday and that is how you spent it, loser. I would never click yours or care what you think about anything. You are the least worthwhile person who has ever messaged me here. Why don't you go study the votes some more that I don't even bother to federate to my instance for the rest of your night. You're on an anarchist instance and are defending a politician lol. God you are a pathetic fuck.
Yet you respond with a defensive wall.
Chill out, treat yourself to some beef wellington and consider that perhaps, context might be important.
This isn't about loving politicians this is about you being a fuckin idiot spreading literal lies and misinformation about them.
The only fucking idiot is you who keeps writing to me as if you had anything worthwhile to say. Delete your account. No one would miss you.
Wow, you're easily triggered. Don't post if you're going to whine about getting replied to
You are the one whining and calling people fucking idiot, you fucking idiot. Have fun supporting losers. There is no misinformation here, he is a democratic sheepdog that got cheated out a a primary by them and turned around and supported them anyway instead of taking the energy behind his revolution seriously. He only takes action on Gaza when there is no chance for there to be any difference and he did say that Israel has a right to defend itself. Sorry you are detached from reality and live in a fantasy world where American politicians actually care about you or have the ability to help. Bernie Sanders had a chance to make a difference and failed, Americans need to move past him and the Democrats if you want to stop the slide into fascism. You're not going to be able to simply vote to fix this and that is all Sanders has, he is already in power and friends with these people. I just posted a meme about it and you are the one who called me a fucking idiot and detached reality because of your irrational feelings.
The quote thing has been aptly noted by another user here already, actually. Have a look, it'll knock your lib socks right off:
https://lemmy.ml/post/29464508/18359532
Here's another instance of Bernie saying the quote:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/11/28/bernie_sanders_israel_has_a_right_to_defend_itself_but_not_to_kill_12000_innocent_people_in_response.html
Anything before or after that quote is to be understood as pure pearl-clutching/handwringing from a both-sideser.
Which part of the image is wrong (which by the looks of it, you're conflating "wrong"/"incorrect" with the word "propaganda" ) or "intellectually lazy", again?
Nuance. You'll likely never understand the word but others find it important. Your post history made me laugh though so thanks lol
Ok, let's talk nuance since you libs love to terminate your thinking process before it even started. I raise the same questions to you as I did another user:
https://lemmy.ml/post/29464508/18363866
"Who are Hamas and how did they come to be?" is the question he was too lazy to hyper link. The answer! A Wikipedia page argument essentially.
I'm aware. You aren't making the point you think you're making.
Making the meme was hardly an achievement, since you used AI
I did nothing of the sort, I stole this from elsewhere