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OK first I have no problem with language evolving. I have no problem with trans people using the word man, woman or whatever else for themselves as they feel comfortable. I have no problem with new words being defined or old words being redefined. That's not really my issue.
My issue is making the argument that trans people should or shouldn't be able to use the word on the basis that someone else can or can't define it in such a way that would exclude them but not others. Can you really say with absolute certainty, with infinite time and space, such a definition could not theoretically exist? That it isn't in the realm of possibility? And whether it can or can't exist, should it really define whether they can or can't use a word?
Also out of curiosity, because as you said it's not really the point, but regarding the cars, is that really a certainty, including all cars throughout history, all custom home made and kit cars, all foreign cars, specialised race cars, electric cars, they will ALL definitely fit into a single neat set of regulations/definition?
I'm sure you could come up with a self consistent definition, but who says it would be "correct" (whatever that means)? If I define chair as an atom with 1 proton in the nucleus, that's a pretty clear definition with little room for edge cases, but it's also completely absurd.
You could also define "woman" by listing out everyone you feel counts as a woman, and that would technically be self consistent, but again, that'd be absurd. It's all completely arbitrary, so why should I or anyone else care about that definition? Same goes for any hypothetical 20 page definition.
That's exactly my point? Why is the definition being asked for if, as you say, it doesn't matter and you don't care. They're being asked to fulfil a task which, even if fulfilled, will be ignored. That to me is a bad argument.
I can't speak for the person you were responding to, but I would do that as a first-hand demonstration of the flaws of their thinking. I could just say "you're wrong and here's why", but I think it's a lot more persuasive if I get them to go down that path and figure it out themselves.
As long as it is legal, it can be defined as a car/truck/bike. Illegal vehicles get more complex, because as you mentioned the frame can be modified.
With infinite time, perhaps it could. I'll give you that one for free, I did exaggerate by saying it was entirely impossible. But for the vast majority of people it is impossible within their lifetime to create such a definition.
Anyone can use any word, just not necessarily correctly. For example, "fish" are not real. There is no defining feature-set for a fish. However, when I say "fish" you think of a little, wet, scaley fella with silly eyes. And that's fine because communication happens and meaning is understood, but there is no way to define a fish in a way that includes all of the little scaley fellas, jellyfish, sunfish, etc.. The same logic is true for the argument about "women", there is no defining feature-set which includes all AFAB people and zero AMAB people because the lines are too blurry in genetics. An androgen-insensitive XY person with a vagina would still be AFAB, for example.
Also out of curiosity, how do you define an El Camino? I've always wondered lol car or truck?