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[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, that was where my mind was going.

To stop population decline you really need to go full Catholic on birth control and abortion.

And to what end?

Israel's aim seems simple: they are fighting a demographic war with the Palestinians and the more people they have the quicker they can fill up the Occupied Territories.

Beyond that rather specific case you can only extrapolate but population decline means you need more immigrants to fill the roles young people would do and that plays into ideas of the Great Replacement.

That might be going too far and impugning their motivation but if you are praising Hungary's reactionary policies then something is not right. Even if they are themselves doing this for the purest motives, they've rather quickly picked up some unsavoury fellow travellers.

[–] tintory@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

the Czech Republic, Hungary, and Israel offer lessons. These countries have managed to increase fertility rates by introducing pro-natal policies — a combination of cash incentives, subsidised childcare, and housing assistance

On the other hand, they are explicity focusing on the increase in social benefits, not anything dealing with anti-choice elements, and praised American Democrats for expanding Paid Leave and Unemployment, not to mention you guys left out this quote

Next, let's talk about British millennials. Before we assign them the blame label, it's worth diving into some history. The birth rate in the UK has declined since 2013, and this decline isn't floating in a vacuum. Its roots trace back to the austerity measures implemented post-2008 financial crisis. These cuts have deeply affected social care, welfare, and local government. Between 2010 and 2017, private rents soared by 24%, while social housing options dwindled. Adults, particularly young ones, found themselves either stuck with rising rents or moving back in with their parents. Combine this with the growth of precarious employment, and you get a generation deeply impacted by retreating state support and a daunting economic landscape.

If this was a right wing rag or an astroturfed group like pronatalist.org, then they would focus on culture or other nonsensical dogwhistles, but they are clearly hostile towards the right but willing to give praise to anyone who increase social spending

[–] merridew@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You can increase social spending and still have contempt for women's right to bodily autonomy. The two don't go automatically hand in hand. In fact if your social spending is geared towards having more babies, it most likely won't be.

[–] tintory@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"In fact if your social spending is geared towards having more babies, it most likely won’t be."

Except most right wing states hate any and all social spending all together, especally in the US and the UK

[–] merridew@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The right-wing government of Hungary spends around 5% of its GDP on policies to to "get Hungarian women to breed".

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/04/baby-bonuses-fit-the-nationalist-agenda-but-do-they-work

[–] tintory@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Most right wing states

Hungary may be an exception to the rule, but the rule generally stands, considering the shit Sunak and Trump are up to in their respective countries

Especially in the case of the states where the GOP end the US’s expanded child benefit