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[–] henry1917@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Real Marxists know Marx didn't morally condemn the rich. He wanted the workers to take hold of the productive forces created under capitalism and organize it under a rational basis.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yup. The great issue with capitalism, is that it wasn't formally designed to enrich society as a whole. It merely is an upgraded iteration of feudalism. You can give a pig a top hat and monocle, but it is still a pig.

We will need a new Constitution, one built to acknowledge that Economics is power. The framers addressed politics and violence, but overlooked the fundamental impact that money has on society. Floors and ceilings on wealth should be implemented, so that the likes of Musk or Trump cannot exist.

[–] adm@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well yes, the framers of the constitution were mostly from the merchant class. If you reframe the document with that in mind you can see that they wanted an almost libertarian system that allowed them to make money without being hindered by nobility or other rich white dudes. Except for Thomas Paine. Thomas Paine was cool.

[–] henry1917@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

The American revolution was historically progressive. It led to the French and Haitian revolutions as well. I don't think we have to single out specific figures, although Thomas Paine was on the radical edge. Jefferson was also a radical who supported the French revolution and yet he owned slaves. By now, capitalism has outlived it's historical usefulness.

[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

that's why it's ML, Marxist Leninism, and not just Marxism

[–] henry1917@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What are you trying to say? I think Lenin had useful insights and strategies, but Marxism is a bit broader.

[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm not saying anything lmao they call themselves ML and not just Marxists for this reason

[–] henry1917@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You mean Stalinists call themselves ML? For what reason?

[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 1 points 23 hours ago

Stalinists are ML

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Rationalism sprinkled with authoritarianism, brutality and famine?

[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Lenin was a murderous brutal dictator.