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Starmer told UK must repeal hate speech laws to protect LGBT+ people or lose Trump trade deal (www.independent.co.uk)

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[–] tal@lemmy.today 14 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

“No free speech, no deal. It is as simple as that,” the Washington source said.

Hmm. If that's correct, that's interesting. I wonder if similar criteria might apply to other countries to which he's talking on trade.

It looks like in the past few years, in the EU, there's been effort to require member states to prohibit hate speech. I'm not sure if that's gone through.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9086657/

Criminalising Hate Crime and Hate Speech at EU Level: Extending the List of Eurocrimes Under Article 83(1) TFEU

In September 2020, President von der Leyen announced the Commission’s intention to propose to extend the list of EU crimes or Eurocrimes to all forms of hate crime and hate speech, as later reflected in the Commission Work Programme 2021.

In the US, member states may not prohibit hate speech; hate speech is not a legal concept here, and speech that might be classified as hate speech elsewhere is protected under the First Amendment.

EDIT: Though there is a related concept in the US of a "hate crime". A crime's sentence

and the crime itself cannot simply be engaging in speech

may be elevated if done when the motivation is hate against some protected groups. That is, the First Amendment would prohibit any form of government ban on saying saying "transexuals are abhorrent". But it is permissible in the US to pass a law to punish someone who physically assaults a transexual person, not merely for their assault, but also for performing assault with a specific motivation, if that motivation can be shown to be that the victim was transexual.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_crime_laws_in_the_United_States

Hate crime laws in the United States are state and federal laws which are intended to protect people from hate crimes (also known as bias crimes). While state laws vary, current statutes permit federal prosecution of hate crimes committed on the basis of a person's characteristics of race, religion, ethnicity, disability, nationality, gender, sexual orientation, and/or gender identity.

Forty-seven states and the District of Columbia have statutes criminalizing various types of bias-motivated violence or intimidation (the exceptions being Arkansas, South Carolina, and Wyoming).

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

How much of that effort to prohibit "hate" speech in the EU isn't just the Germans supporting the Zionist Regime by claiming that criticism of it and their actions is "hate speech" in very much the same way as the Trump Regime claims that criticism of his own regime's actions is hate and even terrorism, and trying to get it in place EU-wide using the EU institutions as a backdoor?

The EU isn't exactly immune to the subversion of Humanitarianism and Rule of Law coming from Fascist regimes, especially when one of its leading countries, Germany, is quickly sliding back to it's old ways, this time around under Zionist (an ethno-Fascist ideology, sames as the Nazis) puppet strings.

I'm definitely pro-EU, which is why I think we need to be very aware of the rotten apples we have in this basket and their attempts at spreading their rot.