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Is the first one Disney? If so, 2 of 3 are confirmed Nazis, so yeah, huge red flag. Steve Jobs was just a dick, right?
Musk started out as just a dick then turned full fascist. I bet Jobs wouldn't be too far behind if he was alive.
The guy died from a treatable cancer because he listened to a health guru instead of doctors. I bet he would be an antivax idiot gulping down horse dewormer to prevent COVID-19 if was alive today.
It's even worse than that.
He stole a liver transplant from someone at the top of the list, and then died a few months later. He wasn't even a candidate, he was terminal at that point, but he did it anyway to try and give himself a few more months to live, while likely killing someone else who needed that liver much more.
Behind the Bastards had a great series on him, as always.
I liked that when he died, he died knowing he could have avoided it if he wasn't a miserable, narcissistic idiot :)
The behind the bastards about Jobs was fucking wild. The guy made children cry (not his own) for eating incorrectly and he would hold meetings in the bathroom so he could soak his feet in the toilets. It is a great series of episodes.
How do you eat incorrectly, stick it up your nose?
I'll look for that one, he's great. Sometimes, it's just too hard to listen to, but Jobs would probably be okay.
The Jobs series is fairly tame as far as BtB goes. Definitely worth a listen.
At least jobs had the presence of mind to let himself die of a curable condition because he thought he knew better.
Disney technically isn't a confirmed Nazi, AFAIK. He actually worked with jewish employees at his company who vouched for him.
He was a nazi by association, to the antisemite Motion Picture Alliance of the time and his welcoming of Nazi film film director Leni Riefenstahl. He also had a specific beef with a specific Jewish businessman who labelled him an antisemite, and his company produced at least one antisemitic portrayal of the three little pigs, but it also produced propoganda for the US Military fighting the nazis. In their cartoon "the ducktators" they mount the stuffed heads of Hitler, Mussolini, and a japanese military leader I don't recognize on the wall above the fireplace.
He was racist af, tho, but no less than average in 1930s and 1940s.
It was the God-Emperor himself. Casual reminder that Imperial Japan was a divine monarchy, and fascism and monarchism are not mutually exclusive.
The glasses are the giveaway. Plus him being the head of state...
In my book, Nazi adjacent = Nazi. He wasn't trying to get along with Nazis to save orphans or something.
There should be zero tolerance for Nazis.
But if a profiteer trades media with a nazi it doesn't make him one. It makes him an asshole, but a Nazi is something far worse and by watering that down and normalizing it you're doing great harm to society.
I somewhat agree, because their opinion can be changed by whatever is most profitable. However, that view also makes it impossible to identify Nazis. It's hard to say Disney wasn't a Nazi and only did things against that because it was profitable, or he was anti-nazi and only did things for them because it was profitable. If "just following orders" makes you a Nazi, then just following the profits does too.
I think if a nazi is living secretly in hiding all is well but since we live in a world where people tell us who they are it becomes incredibly easy to identify Nazis.
Just gonna point out that that's a Crusader cross, I think it's the cross of Jerusalem specifically but I'm only really familiar with like three Crusader orders so it could be one of the more obscure ones I'm just not recognizing. I only say this since I keep seeing folks calling it the iron cross which is an entirely different symbol and would be less of a red flag since at least the iron cross has connections to the German Empire, Modern Germany, and American Biker gangs.
"what do you want tattooed"
"I want the american history x tattoo but make it slightly less on the nose"
Hes also got an american flag, handgun, and Dues Vult tattoo on his arm.
I would argue it does. By assisting a Nazi in any way, you have actively chosen not to hinder them, and are thus furthering their cause. That makes you a fucking honorary Nazi at the very least.
It's not about watering anything down, it's about keeping those pieces of shit as radioactive as possible. Their ideology should be completely isolated and driven to literal extinction.
Oskar Schindler
Lol, not hindering equals assisting, okay
Why are you assisting in the Israeli genocide?
Is anything you own made in China? Is any of the fuel you've used in the past couple of years supplied by SA or Russia? If so, aren't you actively promoting multiple genocides?
I said absolutely no such thing. I said assisting a Nazi is choosing not to hinder them.
And you know absolutely nothing about my habits, what I do, or what I buy so fuck off with that bad faith nonsense and stop defending Nazis.
Please stop murdering Palestinians.
Also, Nazi punks can fuck off.
Sounds like he just didn't have any morals, just cared about the money.
Which I don't think is any better than being a Nazi, but could be worse
Yeah, no morals
No, Nazis are way fucking worse
Now, no morals and only caring about money would take you the same path Nazis took if it was found profitable. Just look at what the megacorps are doing - absolutely anything they can to squeeze couple more pennies without caring of the consequences to human life, as long as they're not financially penalized for it.
No, it's the same monsters different motivation
A successful businessman seeks to enrich himself and his investors by satiafying market demands.
A nazi seeks to enrich himself by murdering and taking from others, by exploiting and torturing others to the maximum effect of cruelty.
It would be like comparing Bill Gates to Elon Musk.
Bill Gates is not the great example you thought he'd be.
It's not even many years ago when he himself said he's willing to sacrifice any amount of lives necessary to squeeze the profits out of COVID vaccine patents
The Bill and Melinda Gates foundation saved and enriched millions of lives across Africa. The Gates foundation also walkef back their opposition to making the vaccine patent free and open, their original excuse was that it could lead to loss of quality control.
Say what you want about the tenets of national socialism dude; at least it's an ethos...
We must be diligent with our language, even if the enemy is willing to twist it. Thanks.
Yea, just an unbelievable asshole.
Was Disney a Nazi? I know he wasn't a good person, but I hadn't heard that. Is there any further reading you could link me? A cursory search didn't find much other than the fact that he seems totally cool working with anti-semites, which isn't really the same thing. If he was, I'd like to know, and if not, we should be more precise with our language so when we call out people like Elon it means something.
I swear this exact phrase is an FBI plot to get people to doubt everything they see and hear.
"That school shooter was a nazi" "Well, we ought to be careful when saying things like that."
"Elon Musk is a nazi." "And what has he done exactly? You know, it's important to be precise. The story of the boy who cried wolf is that ..."
"Hitler was a nazi." "Well, he was in charge of the nazis. Specificity is really important when handling delicate matters like these, you know."
Not to pick on you specifically, but I am so fucking tired of hearing it.
I swear the over use of the term nazi is what got us to this place where people don't believe Musk is one after doing two sieg heils during the inauguration.
Criticizing the term's over use is not the same as denying their existence or horribleness.
You can't police overuse. Just disagree and move on.
By constantly handwringing about it every single time it comes up, you end up teaching people that that's the way you are supposed to react to this information. It becomes a thought terminating cliche. Somebody says nazi, and the first thing anyone else thinks about is "well, they're probably just being hyperbolic." You're reinforcing the same narrative.
Like, a good nazi accusation usually comes with an argument. "Such and such is a nazi because of these 6 things I saw them do, and they kicked a dog also," but even then, people will twist themselves into pretzels about whether the word is still "too much" or not. You have to cut them off. It's not relevant. It doesn't need to be given dignity as a criticism. It only serves as a distraction from the 6 points.
People do the exact same thing about the word genocide.
Think about it this way: an actual nazi benefits from these terms being muddy and unworkable, so our strategy cannot depend on clear waters; we will never get them.
I totally get that, but there's a big difference between "this guy did a Nazi salute" or "this guy idolized Hitler" and "this guy worked with anti-semites." I don't think we should be using the word Nazi to mean "racist person," as Nazi is pretty specific. I certainly hope I don't come across as making any of the above arguments. Ford was a Nazi. Elon is a Nazi. I haven't seen evidence suggesting Disney is the same, and I think it would be irresponsible to turn Nazi into a generic pejorative for "bigot."
To be clear, I have no idea what Walt is or isn't. I'm not making a claim there, haha.
I agree... especially if we're talking about historical figures who might be pretty far removed from the modern political climate.
But to be fair, there is a pretty direct connection between bigotry and nazis, modern or otherwise.