Every time I go to the piefed frontpage I'm blown away by how much more polished it is. It has all the bells and whistles that lemmy is sometimes missing.

Whats the catch? Why aren't we recommending everyone goes to piefed instead of lemmy?

App support is one thing I can think of.

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[–] rglullis@communick.news 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Generally, because I think all server-centric AP software is broken and I want to see a client-first application to browse the social web.

Particularly in relation to piefed: it seems to be focused on the exact opposite (giving more power to the server admins) and it takes a good page of social engineering / "nudge theory" principles to guide its design. Much like Mastodon, it seems to be strongly opinionated about how people should behave and it kinda gives me an icky feeling about its culture.

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 2 points 1 day ago

[PieFed] seems to be strongly opinionated about how people should behave and it kinda gives me an icky feeling about its culture

Yea, I get this same feeling. It's not that I mind that culture or being mindful of how people behave and such - I just don't think that is the domain of the software to decide. Individual instances can decide that for themselves, but the software shouldn't influence that kind of thing, I feel.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It may be a bit opiniated, but it's nice to see a different approach from Lemmy devs who don't see the need for any additional moderation tool.

I brought up mod mail during the AMA, it has been considered too complex to implement. A moderation panel with an overview of the mod queue would be nice too, but not a priority.

I'm not saying Piefed is perfect, but at least they prioritize that aspect.

[–] nutomic@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We are working on new moderation features all the time, for example 1.0 will correctly federate instance bans which is quite complicated to get right. There will also be a plugin system which allows for much more flexible mod tools. Its just that our time is very limited for all the work that needs to be done on a project with over 50k active users.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This comment was not supposed to be a huge critique of Lemmy, more like a comparison.

Everybody is aware that you do what you can with the resources you have.

[–] nutomic@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fair enough, its just a bit strange that this particular critique comes up regularly.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

I just gave it a try, this is what the moderation panel looks like on Piefed:

Maybe this makes it more clear

[–] rglullis@communick.news 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"moderation duties" and "regular participants" in a forum system have such different use cases, it makes no sense to try to make it work with the software itself.

It would be better/faster/easier to simply build a separate tool that can be useful for moderators, instead of trying to shoehorn it in the existing API. But I don't really think that this is something that really bothers people enough, given that last time I asked if I could get 20 people interested to sponsor the development of the moderation tool, and to this day only one person showed up.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It would be better/faster/easier to simply build a separate tool that can be useful for moderators,

Piefed built it in their software without a separate tool

[–] rglullis@communick.news 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And by doing so, it makes it available only for moderators with accounts on piefed. What is the current TAM? 20 people?

A separate tool could connect to any server federating "Report" activities. What is the current TAM? Any moderator of a group, no matter if their account is on Lemmy/PieFed/PixelFed/Misskey/Mastodon...

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

20 people?

https://piefed.fediverse.observer/dailystats&days=7

360 currently, so around 18 times that.

A separate tool could connect to any server federating “Report” activities.

The appetite seems limited as you pointed out yourself in the comment above.

[–] rglullis@communick.news 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

360 currently

Please, read things in context. I'm talking about moderators.

Are all the 360 PieFed users also community moderators?

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I can add a piefed account as a mod to a community I mod right now.

[–] rglullis@communick.news 1 points 1 day ago

How many people like you are using PieFed right now?

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 day ago

Those features also impact all Piefed users.

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If only activitypub c2s didn't suck.

[–] rglullis@communick.news 4 points 1 day ago

ActivityPub C2S is not the the solution. It still requires a server and it still keeps the admins in control of everything.

ActivityPods seems to be going in the right direction, though...