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[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I actually spend quite a lot of time in Leuven these days, and looking at some of those houses and the general state of Belgium today ... I can't say that's not likely to be true.

It's just that the place kinda struck me as safe. I guess it's not.

[–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

Belgium has some of (if not the) lowest income inequality in the OECD due to our very harsh income tax (highest median tax wedge of the OECD, yes even including the nordics). With quite a few asterisks attached to that statement of course because our fiscal system is a complete mess so if you're special kinds of well off (e.g. you make your income on capital gains) you'll be taxed very little.
How low income inequality doesn't correlate to very high standards of living like it does in the Nordics... Well I'll leave it to historians and economists to hash it out. The answer you get will almost certainly reflect that person's personal politics. Harsh industrial decline is worth mentioning though.

Wallonia is measurably poorer than Flanders, but both regions are developed western economies. The US has a murder rate 535 % of Belgium's, and I don't see anyone warning students away from studying there (or well, not until the past few months).
That judge should be investigated and the prosecutor should definitely appeal, and besides there is a lot of work to do safety-wise, especially for women to be able to feel safe, but that's hardly a problem specific to Leuven or Belgium.

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 day ago (3 children)

It is quite safe. What I heard about this case is that the victim was happy with the outcome.

They met at a party, she was drunk. He said he asked consent, she said he raped her. There was no evidence or allegation of force, just that she couldn't have consented in her drunken state.

He had a clean record.

He got convicted and ordered to pay €3500 and if he commits another crime, then this one will count too.

She was satisfied with the outcome. She especially wanted recognition that it was rape.

I think this is a good outcome. If he ever rapes someone again, he'll be a serial rapist and get the book thrown at him.

And on the flipside, I find it difficult to throw the book at people under the circumstances in these kind of cases.

[–] ihatefascist@lemm.ee 1 points 3 hours ago

How can she be happy with the outcome when she asked for a restraining order???? And that did not happen

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They met at a party

According to this article in DM she's on camera stumbling around the city streets so drunk that should couldn't stay upright and that's where she ran into this guy. Of course that article also says this happened at "quarter to five at night." which makes no sense.

[–] ExtantHuman@lemm.ee 2 points 7 hours ago

If it's still dark out and you haven't yet gone to sleep, it's still night.

[–] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (3 children)

You're gonna have to give a source for the victim being satisfied with the outcome.

[–] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

There are a few other articles it seems - this one has:

While the victim has found some solace in the court’s recognition of her assault, she is disappointed that her attacker faces no real consequences.

Which says she was not happy with the outcome, only that the rape was recognized.

Per this article:

Leuven University Hospital has suspended a medical student that was convicted of raping another student but was not sentenced for his crime.

The school has at least ensured there were some measure of consequences. Also:

Chief physician Gert Van Assche said that "First and foremost our thoughts go out to the victim. Together with KU Leuven we will look at the court’s ruling and examine how we will go on from there. In the meantime, as a precautionary measure the doctor concerned has been suspended from duties at the hospital”.

The only other article was paywalled and seemed to have no additional information anyway.

Edit: I think its worth noting, though it can be seen in the link, he was studying gynecology.

[–] anon6789@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Also how many people will potentially suffer before another one comes forward and gets taken seriously? 🤨

Nevertheless, the judge refrained from passing sentence. “It is undeniable that he passed the line of what is permissible. The man showed a lack of respect for the victim's physical, psychological and sexual boundaries.

I don't know how they do it over there, but where I'm from, those are 3 things someone should probably respect if they're going to be placed in a position requiring great trust like a doctor....

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

https://nos.nl/artikel/2561959-belgische-geneeskundestudent-die-schuldig-is-aan-verkrachting-wordt-geschorst

They changed it though. Now they are saying she wanted him to be ineligible to practice medicine.