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I don't like Apple products either but the silicon Macbooks are the best laptops in the market, there just isn't much competition. Every other company threw in the towel and make weaker laptops with half as much battery life due to x86 in the same pricepoint. Not to mention the screen and touchpad are usually worse.
I won't deny that, they got the edge in terms of ARM CPUs but that doesn't make those the best Laptops on the market, it's literal EWaste and judging from Apples history that thing probably has a few desing flaws that will lead to breakage with no coverage from their site too. If you ask me you just got your priorities wrong if you buy one of those but I am one of those privacy freaks too so call me crazy if you want.
I mean, it's ultimately a matter of opinion as to what makes a laptop the "best" on the market, but it seems like a serious stretch to call them ewaste. I've never personally owned an Apple product in my life, but they make some really solid hardware even if it's sold at a premium.
The majore issues are, even more moves to restrict repairability on purpose than already common in the industry, refusal to pay for mistakes till lawsuites force them to do so and a history of majore desing flaws in countless products. Louis Rossman dose a good job at showing that, ewaste is a little harsh but I think it's unfortunately very much appropriate in this case, just my opinion tho.
I don’t know about the EWaste part, I own a 2015 MacBook Pro and that thing is immortal! Still runs as smooth as the day I got it and it’s seen a lot of abuse.
Don’t know of many other brands that have this type of longevity. Out of the many laptops and PC’s that I owned, non lasted this long.
That's a respectable age for a Laptop but nothing special, I used and even owned multiple older devices from various brands like Lenovo, Asus and HP and you just got lucky that you aquired the Pro rather than the Air with it's "high quality" Butterfly keyboard that apple build into four or five generations with minimal tweaks that didn't fix the breakage and only covered two of them!
There isn't another viable option with just the performance/battery life combination, before even considering the excellent build quality, etc. Repairability has a major cost to space. They're in direct conflict. You can't do the form factor and have user repairable parts.
Buy a giant, bulky laptop that still can't match the performance for a full day of use if you want, but there isn't anything even in the same space as the Apple Silicon MacBooks, let alone competitive in that space.
Apple intentionally builds their devices to not be repaied, there is a BIG difference in technical constraints because of a lack of space and intentional decisions like sothered SSDs with a swap partition (RAM overflow on the storage drive that causes tons of writes) by default or a special storage architectures that has no benefit over existing solutions except that noone can buy replacments. It's not like you need a bulky Laptop for user servicable parts ether, the Framework Laptop isn't the thinest on the market but it's certainly not bulky and if even a small startup can achive that imagine what amazing devices Apple could build if they invested a tiny bit of their money in repairability, and if it's just the part they currently invest in to the opposite!
The soldered components are because space.
The framework is fine, but it's an entirely different class of product that's not even sort of in the same neighborhood of portability, and doesn't compete at much else either. The only way you're getting your money's worth is if you actually do use it and its bad display for a bunch of generations.
People are buying Apple laptops because they're by far the best at what they are, to the point that there isn't a single competitor that's not laughable to compare to it.