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The Conservatives in Wales lose their last ditch attempt to stop the speed limit change from 30mph to 20mph. The change will be coming into force on the 17th September

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[–] br3d@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The concern is about impeding progression when there is no traffic and no good reason, ie an empty road through town in quiet times with few cars or people about.

The thing is, nobody plans to crash their car into a pedestrian. So how does it keep happening? One reason is from people driving faster than they should because they wrongly believe a road is empty. Slower limits help with this, because when drivers are going around with incorrect beliefs about whether roads are empty or not, there is more time to react and less energy to cause injury

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

I can't disagree with anything that you're saying here. All I can say is that there is always a balance to be struck between road users - pedestrians, cyclists, cars, everyone (even animals).

So how does it keep happening?

It happens because road users aren't properly segregated. If you look at large construction sites, they have barriers everywhere and it's generally extremely safe. They still have fatal accidents between vehicles/plant and people. The only way to be completely safe is to be separate - but that isn't reasonably practicable everywhere.

My issue here isn't with 20 mph roads. My issue is with a blanket change of all 30 mph roads to 20 mph, without making those roads suitable for 20 mph. Maybe some of these roads already should be 20 mph, but many aren't and shouldn't be, and the ones that aren't will encourage further noncompliance everywhere else.