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Of course, this is also something artists who create and performs art for an audience understands, as much as expression can be about vulnerability it can also be about lying, twisting the truth and getting people to agree to terrible things because the way you deliver it is charismatic or distracts sufficiently from the material reality.
All of this to say, yes, manipulation is still rampant, but we are talking in an a semi-abstracted space, manipulation will always be possible it is simply a question of how obvious it is to authentic users and/or how costly it is to create sufficiently convincing astroturfing bots and consensus.
Your response doesn't invalidate my point (I don't mean to assume it does or take a negative tone), my point is that public conversation where people explain their arguments and give sources and people can respond and critique each other with no centralized authority necessarily determining the existential ability of users to participate in the conversation (i.e. you get banned from reddit for mentioning luigi) is the best solution we have. This is the fundamentally difficult problem of social media, all the programming, scaling up of server architecture, design of protocols, UIs and coding of clients, apps etc.... that is the easy stuff honestly.
I was actually agreeing with your point, just to be clear.
This Norm Macdonald bit is a great example of this type of crowd work.
Yeah sorry I am tired and I realized after re-reading your response and my response that I misread you and should have taken more time to think my response over I apologize.
Thank you for the thoughtful response, I am sorry I didn't give it the space in my mind it deserved!
edit would it honor you if I flicked some snot at you in solidarity?
No problem at all, it happens to us all sometimes!