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A Norwegian man said he was horrified to discover that ChatGPT outputs had falsely accused him of murdering his own children.

According to a complaint filed Thursday by European Union digital rights advocates Noyb, Arve Hjalmar Holmen decided to see what information ChatGPT might provide if a user searched his name. He was shocked when ChatGPT responded with outputs falsely claiming that he was sentenced to 21 years in prison as "a convicted criminal who murdered two of his children and attempted to murder his third son," a Noyb press release said.

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[–] bluGill@fedia.io 102 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I don't care why. That is still libel and it is illegal for good reason. if you can't stop this for all cases then you ai is and should be illegal.

[–] tfm@europe.pub 47 points 1 week ago (1 children)

None of the moneybags will listen, unfortunately. But I'm with you. The rollout of AI was extremely irresponsible. Just to make it profitable as quickly as possible.

[–] Flagstaff@programming.dev 10 points 1 week ago

To be fair, based on observations after these years, it doesn't appear that waiting longer before release would have significantly improved Autocomplete Idiocy in any way.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Seems to me libel would require AI to have credibility, which it does not.

It's a tool. Like most useful tools it can do harmful things. We know almost nothing about the provenance of this output. It could have been poisoned either accidentally or deliberately.

But above all, the problem is ignorant people believing the output of AI is truth. It's pretty good at some things, but the more esoteric the knowledge, the less reliable it is. It's best to treat AI as a storyteller. Yeah there are a lot of facts in there but when they don't serve the story they can be embellished. I don't see the harm in just acknowledging that and moving on.

[–] deur@feddit.nl 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Im not a lawyer but the most conclusive missing piece of what we commonly understand to be libel is the information has to be published.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago

I thought about that.

The definition of publish could get a little murky here. Actually the best defense here is that, so far as we know, this was not disclosed to a third party by ChatGPT (that's pretty flimsy, though, because it likely has no idea who it is talking to.)

I acknowledge there is some level of nuance here, which is why I come back to no one should have any expectation that AI will be factual. The disclaimers are everywhere. There is really no excuse for anyone to treat the output as gospel.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Meanwhile, AI vendors:

“AI will soon be the only way we access information and make decisions!”

and those marketers should get punished, not for spreading misinformation but for being marketers.

[–] ech@lemm.ee 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Except it's not libel. It's a one time string of text generated exclusively for him. Literally no one would have known what it said if the guy didn't get the exact thing he wants "deleted" published online for everyone to see. Now it'll be linked to his name forever, but the llm didn't do that.

It's been shown repeatedly that putting the same input into a gen AI will often get the same output, or extremely similar. So he has grounds to be concerned that anybody else asking the LLM about him would be getting the same libelous result.

[–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Libel requires the claims to be published or broadcasted, so it isn't. A predictive text algorithm strung some random words together, and the guy got offended.
It's like suing because your phone keyboard autosuggested "is a murderer" as the next words after you wrote your name. Btw, I tried it a few times for lulz and managed to get it to write out "bluGill and the kids are going to get it on", so I guess you can sue Google now?

[–] Fjern@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I read it as they aren't using libel as cause for their complaint but failure to comply with GDPR