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[–] taxiiiii@lemmy.world 19 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (3 children)

I mean, I was super curious what Sanders could've done if he had the chance. Instead, we got the opposite experiment.

If democrats in the US vote for stuff like Biden, then they're not voting for any radical change. Trump isn't comparable to that.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 8 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

If democrats in the US vote for stuff like Biden, then they’re not voting for any radical change

I don't exactly know the details, but weren't there accusations of meddling from the DNC that stoppered Sanders' chance of securing the nomination, and a belief among some that he might have won the nomination if it had been a free and fair primary process?

In other words, it's possible (though by no means certain) that your sentence above works if "democrats" means "the DNC and the establishment of the Democratic Party", but not if it means "people who by-and-large support the Democratic Party".

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 hours ago

The Dems did some delegate fuckery where all candidates endorsed Biden because ~~Bernie~~ Trump had to be stopped at all cost, and their delegates went to Biden even if he hadn't been voted for. Kamala contributed all of her 0 delegates and got VP for being ~~a cop~~ the first to drop out iirc.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 17 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Americans voted for Biden because the primary system heavily favored Biden and Americans were told Biden was "more electable" than Bernie, even though every one of Bernie's policies and his messaging polled better.

If the DNC didn't put their thumbs on the scale, Bernie would have won in 2016 (or 2020), and guaranteed a democratic victory in the next election because nobody receiving free healthcare is going to vote to go back to the current system.

Bernie isn't radical, he's a social democrat, he just looks radical because the democrats are right of George W Bush right now.

[–] taxiiiii@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

I get it and I don't disagree, but- Well, I for one wouldn't mind some radical change. Just not in the direction that it is going right now. Radical in itself is nothing bad, when the status quo is as bad as it is.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Still nothing

Courts wouldn’t even let Biden offer student loan relief

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

They were only able to because of the way he went about it. He could have simply ordered the Department of Education to immediately forgive the loans and erase any record of the debt, and dared the SCOTUS to order him to create new debts (which he could simply ignore).

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Part of not being a dictator is not acting like it, you aren’t going to find a good person acting that way

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 1 points 49 minutes ago* (last edited 48 minutes ago)

You're not going to find a good person who puts following rules written to benefit the capitalist class above freeing people from crippling debt.

[–] taxiiiii@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Probably, but I'd only believe that there is really nothing to be done once I see someone actually left-leaning attempt everything in their toolbox.

I believe Sanders would have tried to change as much as possible in the US. I also believe that he would have failed regarding a lot of things. Would have really liked to see him try though.