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christ almighty what happened to the comments
Basically a single transphobe came in, a load of trans hexbear users started bullying them and mocking them and that boosted the visibility of the post so that more transphobes came into the comments, but because you're not federated with hexbear all you're seeing is the transphobes and some people doing pushback on them
Do you know why Lemmy.world is not federated with hexbear?
Lemmy.world pre emptively defederated them before hexbear federated with wider lemmy because hexbear's a very active community of communists who've been on an undefederated fork of Lemmy for three years or so.
Hexbear users are very active in calling out anything they perceive as reactionary thought (transphobia, racism, ableism, homophobia, support for imperialism, colonialist apologia, etcetera) and pretty frequently get hostile about it, one of the stated intentions of them federating was to bully bigots into silence in order to make all of lemmy a more left wing space. Hexbear has a broader definition of what constitutes as reactionary thought than most people do though so they'll frequently attack liberals too.
Basically they felt hexbear's community wouldn't mesh well with lemmy.world
They're an instance that claims to be far left, but are mostly authoritarian CCP/USSR fans. Its also impossible to talk to them because they brigade and troll anyone they dislike.
So this is like the one time when tankies are right about something. 🤔 Interesting
I got sick of them under every second political post, many of their users act basically like 4chan without the racism, sexism, anti semitsm, transphobia and all of that, not quite as stupid but annoying little fucks with annoying little troll posts that often go in a very facist, authoritarian and just plain disgusting direction which is sad because there are nice and smart people in the mix too but they usually go under! :/
At this point they've basically turned themselves into a public nuisance. It's the same bullshit every time; all noise and no signal which in turn means that they are very boring and predictable.
Hexbear is very very far left and stuff
Left is a term that comes from France and is anti authoritarian in it's core so that's not very fitting for many of them!
There are many different binaries in play. The one you refer to is liberal (now anarchism) on one pole and authoritarianism on the other.
The modern European binary that many use (and frustratingly think represents "the world") divides along economic ideologies where capitalism would be the beginning of the right and more progressive ideologies on the left. Hexbear is far left by this definition.
What people need to understand is that the political spectrum is a lie, and all discussions based on the concept are inherently flawed, promoting reductionist thought if not outright falsehood.
It doesn't even matter how many axes you add, wanting to seize the means and genocide brown people or whatever doesn't make you a centrist anything and wanting to seize the means, punch Nazis, and jerk off to Papa Stalin's mustache doesn't make you more left than otherwise either.
It's like any model it isn't necessarily accurate but it does not mean it is not useful.
It's absolutely a very flawed analogy but if you understand that it can help to understand certain things and is a lot more helpful than the liberal vs right devide Hexbear attempts to push, if you accept others (E.g. trans or homosexual people) that's a liberal idea but so is the stupidity that's the free market cult!
You are kind of right in that the devision (at least in the traditional meaning from France) has two pillars, you have the authoritarian one siding with kings and nobels vs elected officials, freedome of speech and equality in a social (none economic) sense and you have the economic devision aka little state intervention to the market and redistribution vs the state as protective force for those who need it with stuff like strong worker rights and wealth redistribution. In short the traditional meaning of "left" is socially liberal but not market liberal which is a majore reason why I dislike the American attempt to split between left and liberal so much, if you are left you have liberal ideas and that's the part where Hexbear wants to frame me as somehow market/neo liberal wich is plain wrong!
That's because most of Hexbear is using the modern European binary which DOES split along economic lines. This is only a problem when someone asserts their binary is the universal one or fails to clarify which one they use.
I don't know if "modern european" is a good way to put it, I kind of think it's a result of the cold war, never made a lot of sense and was enforced by the arrival of neo liberal ideologies in european governments afterwards but that part is just a quick throught so don't quote me on it. You are definitely right that there are different definitions tho, one of them just also seems to reframe the word liberal which makes absolutely no sense to me. In the end they are all flawed and the biggest issue is that no matter which you use extreme ideologies like neo liberalism and backwards thinking aka the "modern" definition of conservative attempt to frame themself as the "middle" which is dangerous af and makes no sense ether so it's a rather pointless fight with a third party as winners! :/
It's from the early 1900s. Liberal hasn't changed. Conservatism is not the same thing in all societies ie a Chinese conservative and Iranian have very different outlooks on theocracy.
What the hell is a trans hexbear?
A trans person from the instance hexbear.net
You expect something that literally threatens people with fatal violence to get sensible discussion? Sure it's a meme and all, but shit like this is just asking for trolls to start shit. No one should get threatened with violence, even in the form of a meme or a joke and it just gives assholes more fuel and no-one wins.
Oh look, an actual sensible comment.
I completely understand that, a 100%. My point still stands, fueling the fire that is the whole problem isn't exactly doing any good even if it might feel good for a moment. You can't leave food laying around and then get mad if you get ants. I even understand the want/fantasy/whatever for violence when you're at the receiving end of it constantly. But there's tons of comments wondering "how are the comments like this" when you don't really need all that much brainpower to see why. Stooping to their level isn't going to do any good and will be used against you by the very people who are privileged/bigoted enough to behave that way and not get shit. Why supply them with ammo is all I'm saying.
And stooping to their level only makes you an asshole, a tad justified one, but an asshole nonetheless. When both sides justify themselves because they're right or justified or whatever the excuse for violence and bullshit is, it's just idiots fighting each other. And while this meme could be in response to violence, it doesn't really read that way - it says respect. If you think you can demand respect, especially by threatening to murder them, from people so clearly uneducated, unintelligent and idiotic that they behave the way these bigoted pieces of shit do, you're going to have a hell of a hard time with everything in life. Just bashing your own head against the wall. That's not how respect works either, especially when it comes to people who you surely know aren't going to do it in any case.
With a post like this, that to them just "proves their point" about whatever, and dressed like this, did you really expect there wouldn't be any assholes? And from the comments, there's assholes on both sides in the comments as much as being angry and pissed is only understandable for one side. Every side is right in their own mind even if one side is completely wrong, but you don't change an idiots view by threatening them or giving them more ammo to attack you with. There's a ton of comments here that don't really work in favor of the cause, but even I'm getting attacked just for stating a fact about feeding trolls and being against violence - violence against disrespect, not violence and people are celebrating that. Which again, only works in favor of the bigots on all levels. But it's clear that there's no sensible discussion happening in this post so I'm out.
I hope things get better, because the assholes affect all of our lives and make things shitty for everyone but themselves. Stay safe.
Yes, most aspects of human history like warfare both threatens human life and is open for debate.
You do you, if that's how you want to live. You're seriously going to act like this post was a sensible and reasonable opening for discussion? Never did I say anything about discussing violence, but this post isn't a discussion in any way and you know it.
Yep, sure will. Die mad about it.
Sure, buddy lmao. I don't know what your problem is and I don't really care. The only one here that's mad about anything is you. Keep feeding the trolls and wondering why your life is so miserable. Have fun, love.
Lol nah, you care, that's why you were bitching about it. But if you want to play it cool to save face, it's okay. I'll let you. The rest of us will happily continue to enjoy the thread knowing it was made in good faith.
Whatever you wanna tell yourself. Learn to read.
Enjoy your hateful delusional circlejerk and all the trolls. An asshole is an asshole no matter what flag they fly.
LMFAO "in good faith". Stroking your ego and patting yourself on the back for exactly the same kind of behaviour you're mad at at the people on the other end of the spectrum for? No wonder you're so salty. Keep fueling the fire that makes you miserable, but don't cry about it when it burns you.