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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

You're right to point out my inconsistency when it comes to the two. Apologies.

So let me retract that and go back to this line: whoever Zenz is, the UN special rapporteur deemed him a credible enough source to include his work in a UN HRC report. The report has not been retracted. I'm not an expert on the sources, but I can in good faith assume that the UN HRC is a reasonable arbiter of reputability. This is the same standard as I use for other conflicts and controversial world events. I therefore accord this UN special rapporteur the same benefit of the doubt as his colleague, Francesca Albanese.

And just like I mistrust attacks on Albanese's reputability when it comes to Palestine, I mistrust attacks on Obokata when it comes to Xinjiang.

And I'm going to leave it at that.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So let me retract that and go back to this line: whoever Zenz is, the UN special rapporteur deemed him a credible enough source to include his work in a UN HRC report. The report has not been retracted. I’m not an expert on the sources, but I can in good faith assume that the UN HRC is a reasonable arbiter of reputability.

Damn, I recommend you look into some of the other claims Zenz has made before deciding he's credible.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 day ago

That's the thing. I don't decide he's credible. The UN Special Rapporteur did.

And I mean, fuck Zenz, since engaging with this thread, I've actually learned more about Xinjiang than I wanted to. Here is a whole OHCHR Assessment of human rights concerns in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, People’s Republic of China https://www.ohchr.org/en/documents/country-reports/ohchr-assessment-human-rights-concerns-xinjiang-uyghur-autonomous-region https://www.ohchr.org/en/documents/country-reports/ohchr-assessment-human-rights-concerns-xinjiang-uyghur-autonomous-region Is this shady Zenz character cited? Yes (oh no!), in ....2 footnotes among a total of 300 footnotes.

The claim that this one shady dude somehow is the mastermind (Emmanuel Goldstein much?) behind the entire set of Uighur allegations is fucking ridiculous. It's like when antivaxxers or climate change deniers find the one off-colour source in some WHO or IPCC report and them latch on to that one to claim vast conspiracies.