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We need the ability to tag users on Lemmy so that when we figure out that someone is a tankie or an anti-Canadian propagandist we can tag them so that the next time we see them comment we know they are a bad faith actor and can respond appropriately (and by appropriately I mean not wasting our time trying to have a good faith discussion.)
EDIT:
NegativeYoda said that Sync for Lemmy had the functionality I was looking for so I checked it out.
It does.
I was able to (temporarily) highlight NY in red like a banned user and tag him as a tankie. This week makes my lemmy experience much less frustrating. I've ashtray done the same (for real) to several obvious bad actors so I don't get drawn into a discussion with someone who has no intention of participating in good faith.
Basically how I used the Reddit Enhancement Suite tag manager.
Yes. There are several users here now who are bad faith actors. It would be great to be able to tag them. That way I wouldn't try to engage in conversation just to become frustrated by their bad faith arguments and insults before recognizing their names. I don't want to block them because I want to be able to make good faith responses to their nonsense but I want to know that they're trolls so I don't get involved in a discussion that isn't going to go anywhere.
Just block and move on with your life.
Blocking users is a sign of weakness.
The blocking system on Reddit was horribly broken. Blocking a user on Reddit effectively takes them out of the conversation. They can't reply to any comment by the person who blocked them or under a comment by the person who blocked them. A bad faith actor can involve themselves in the conversation then block the OC preventing them from carrying on the conversation about their own comment. A small group of bad actors could move together to block anyone who didn't agree with them. By blocking up to 100 users each they could shut down disagreement. A small group could shut down a sub until the mods banned them. Tactical blocking was a thing.
On Lemmy, when you block someone you take yourself out of the conversation. The blocked user can continue to discuss the topic at hand below a comment from a blocking user. Tactical blocking doesn't work. All it does is protect the blocking user from being exposed to contradictory comments or ideas.
So, no, I'm not going to simply block anyone who is a bad actor. My beliefs aren't that delicate. My ideas aren't that fragile. I'm not that weak.
What I would like to be able to do it to tag users who I have discovered are bad faith actors so that I don't get drawn into a pedantic, or fallacious conversation with someone who is just trying to distract of derail the conversation. Having a bad actor block me is a gift. I can still respond to and discuss their comments but they can't see my response. I can warn others that they are bad faith actors. I'm totally cool with that. In fact, a couple of people have loudly announced that they're blocking me and I've celebrated.
If you're being harassed or threatened, or if someone is hurling racist or other hate at you you can still contact the instance admin and have them banned but you can't tactically block a user and you can't shut down the conversation in a community.
Weak? It protects your time. Although maybe you have hours to post online with idiots. Most people don't.
So block me and move on.
I feel that the ability to tag users is the only thing that Lemmy is missing for me. Maybe all of the actions of these bad actors will inspire the creation of a tagging system.
Check out my original comment for an update. Sync goes Lemmy does what I was looking for.
Thanks, I've been using Lift Off but if Sync allows you to tag users, I'll have to give it a try.
I quite like it. I find the text extremely small. I've made it larger but then the cards get very crowded. I'll eventually get it to somewhere that it works better for me.
This morning the first response in my inbox was from someone I had hilighted as red and tagged as a BAD FAITH ACTOR. It helped me to slow down and carefully craft my response. I like it a lot but the tagging and hilighting functionality costs a couple of bucks per month or $25 per year.
Check out my original comment for an update. Sync goes Lemmy does what I was looking for.
You know, I hadn't heard the term "tankie" before coming to Lemmy/Kbin, and at this point I'm lost again on what it's supposed to mean. I have a general idea but it seems to mostly just be a malleable catch-all for "someone I don't like who possible sort of leans one way a bit on some things". Like how "boomer" has become super over-ueed boogeyman term for "someone older than me I don't like".
Seems like a lazy way to categorize tribally, and group people as "others". Or am I getting it totally wrong?
What a tankie actually is, is a ML who supports violent force against a population - Hence being named after the Soviets driving tanks into Hungary to stop a revolution.
Right wingers have taken this word and think it applies to anything left wing they don’t like when it’s just a leftist anti-authoritarity term used for ML chuds.
Sync has this functionality if you pay for it
I just use the very free and very effective block function
My beliefs aren't so fragile that I need to protect them from beliefs that don't agree. We need to engage with the extremists. We need to call them out and let each other know that the person we are talking to is a bad faith actor who isn't interested in a discussion or understands but to simply spread their extremist message of hate and intolerance. If we block them they continue unchallenged.
That's why they should be blocked at the instance level, not individual users.
Engage them? No thanks. All that does is help train their LLMs.
I don't like the idea of blocking people who have different ideas but who aren't otherwise doing anything problematic. I'm talking with someone this morning who has the most ridiculous ideas about how the world works. His ideas are just nonsense and he advances them with great confidence. I have him flagged so that as soon as I saw his name come up as red this morning I knew that I needed to slow down and careful about my response. I don't want to block him because the things he says offer a chance for people who know how the world works to respond, perhaps influencing the perception of a reader who comes along later.
If you want to block people, by all means block them, but you're taking yourself out of the conversation, not them. That was the problem with the blocking system on Reddit. If you blocked someone you took them out of the conversation. On Lemmy when you block someone you take yourself out of the conversation. Unless you want to operate in an echo bunker where you can only see people whose ideas agree with yours that's a bad thing.
If you have the energy for that, go nuts.
Being that the bulk of the loudmouths are bad faith trolls no sort of reasoned discussion is going to get through.
If enough people block them they eventually get quarantined into their own echo chambers and the oxygen of getting off on pwning the libs will run out