I just wish there was a good place to discuss IPTV providers that wasn't full of sketchy resellers over promising and under delivering. You'd think they could at least sort out their EPGs as most I have used are like 80% complete at best.

Not asking for provider recommendations, not sure if that's allowed here. Just wondering if y'all know of a place where that shit can be discussed in a neutral and honest environment?

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[–] skankhunt42@lemmy.ca 50 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I don't think I'll ever sub to IPTV because of the community around it. I miss the days of setting up your own satellite dish and downloading the decryption keys.

[–] Nyarlathotep@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 days ago

Those were fun times. Raise your hand if you made a $100 mistake and got your sat box killed by an ECM, haha.

[–] Yppm@lemy.lol 23 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Honestly if it weren't for sports and Jeopardy I wouldn't bother. I wish more leagues went the way if F1 with their decent price and amazing app.

[–] kevincox@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If you don't need to watch Jeopardy live it is pretty readily available via torrents. Probably in better quality and without ads.

Sports are much harder to find. There are trackers but they are much harder to get into and I can't attest to the completeness (I'm not really into sports) and watching it live is probably more relevant.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 days ago

Sports are much harder to find.

Not really... Tons of sites live stream sports.

[–] HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Why not an aerial for Jeopardy? It's usually on local broadcast, so you could plumb together a DVR setup if you want it within a unified experience.

[–] the_doktor@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

For me, ever since we went to digital I can't get shit here. Tried the fanciest, best, etc, digital receivers and fucking nothing. We didn't get the clearest analog signal in the world, but at least we got something watchable. Everyone just says "get aerial" for local channels and haha, nope, sorry.

[–] DannyBoy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

Yeah I remember we couldn't get CBC anymore so we couldn't watch the Leafs games anymore. We tried digital but we got very few channels, even less than analog. That's when we got satellite TV.

[–] Banzai51@midwest.social 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Lots of TV stations in the US are moving to the new broadcast standard, ATSC 3.0, encrypting the channel, and stopping their ATSC 1.0 broadcasts. This makes an antenna useless. And the only digital boxes that are allowed are ones that have to be plugged into the TV directly with HDMI. This means you'd have to have an antenna and expensive converter box for EACH TV.

Basically, broadcast TV is an unreliable mess now.

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

This makes an antenna useless. And the only digital boxes that are allowed are ones that have to be plugged into the TV directly with HDMI. This means you’d have to have an antenna and expensive converter box for EACH TV.

https://shop.silicondust.com/shop/product-category/atsc/?scrollto=663475

Weird that you'd say something like that when it's completely untrue.

I have ATSC 3.0 channels in my plex setup right now...

[–] Banzai51@midwest.social 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Plex doesn't support ATSC 3.0 yet, specifically the audio. So it can't play ATSC 3.0 broadcasts.

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That's an ffmpeg issue. You can manually upgrade ffmpeg to the beta and it works fine. Or you can use an interposer like https://github.com/whichken/hdhr-ac4 to do it without touching plex itself.

So yes it doesn't "support" it properly... but that doesn't mean it's not possible. Nor does that mean your antenna is useless.

[–] Banzai51@midwest.social 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

How do you manually upgrade to the beta?

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I'm not going to give you instructions simply because if you don't know what you're doing, you will brick your plex setup. Use the docker container given as a transparent proxy. You won't brick anything that way.

[–] Banzai51@midwest.social 1 points 5 days ago

Meh, my Plex server is slowly failing anyway because it's on 17 y/o hardware.

[–] HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

ATSC 3.0 is usable. I have a HDHomerun sitting on my LAN with a couple 3.0 tuners.

The big problem is:

the 3.0 broadcasts are still mostly tests, so you get mostly a respin of a 1.0 channel
the audio is AC-4 and a lot of software doesn't support it. There was stuff for Windows but when I looked, the usual suspects (VLC, mpv) on Linux didn't support it

[–] Banzai51@midwest.social 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's usable until your local stations decide to encrypt. Then HDHomerun will not work.

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The decryption keys are on the HDHR itself... The HDHR calls home every few hours to pick up new keys.

[–] Banzai51@midwest.social 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Except that's not the experience everyone has. HDHR isn't getting keys, because the networks don't allow it for the HDHR devices.

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

HDHR isn’t getting keys

And yet mine does so somehow I'm special? I can open the streams just fine. No issues. In the other thread, I even linked you a project that does the ac4 transcoding. You think they're also full of shit and that HDHR doesn't work with ATSC 3.0?

The Siliconlabs guys even advertise the product as ATSC3.0 compatible... Are they full of shit too?

[–] Banzai51@midwest.social 1 points 5 days ago

Are your stations actually encrypted? Because mine were working fine until recently as many stations encrypted as the NFL playoffs started.

Or maybe you're just s-p-e-c-i-a-l!

[–] skankhunt42@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Isn't IPTV shit for sports or really anything popular? I've read there's a tonne of buffering and quality problems... I dont watch sports but I have family and friends looking for a solution and ask me because they're on my Plex server.

Personally the *arr stack is perfect for what I do. When I want to watch something I'll scroll through the recently added and pick something.

[–] Yppm@lemy.lol 6 points 1 week ago

If not for IPTV, how else do people pirate sports?

I've had luck in the past and am having luck recently with a decent provider (buffering-wise, EPG is shit).

[–] lemmyingly@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago

I think buffering comes with the cheapest firesticks and the cheapest providers.

[–] anon5621@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I am still using ccam with satellite dishes ,there are "providers" where u can buy cheap decryption keys. Did I miss something in time?

[–] skankhunt42@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Can you explain a bit more? Any resources I can read up on?

From what I've read, the keys rotate every 6 seconds so you'll need to find a reliable, low latency source that will allow you access. Aside from that I haven't found much in the way of required equipment or providers as everyone is talking about IPTV these days.

[–] anon5621@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 days ago

about hardware u have two options here u need buy pci/pcie dvb s2 tunner card for example TBS6902 DVB-S2 Dual Tuner https://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/TBS6902_DVB-S2_Dual_Tuner_PCIe_Card or buy android tv box with s2 connector i am using mecool kiii pro then u need emulator of "card" which normally inserted inside tv boxes or TVs to decrypt channel source there are many emulators i was using wicardd and oscam https://git.streamboard.tv/common/oscam . and software part to configurate channells itself if u gonna build reciver on usual linux then https://docs.linuxserver.io/images/docker-tvheadend/ u will need this for windows there progtv/progdvb . From provider i am using https://zeos.online/ 1$ in month