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[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

But I have been recycling like they asked me too. Who's not doing their part? Oh wait ....

[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Recycling metals is good, especially aluminum. Recycling glass? Not bad. Recycling plastic? That is literally something the oil industry forced by having their resin codes look almost exactly like the recycling symbol. People understandingly confused the resin codes to mean it was recyclable and flooded recycling centers with plastic. So instead of throwing it in the garbage and telling people plastic is not recyclable, they did what they could to recycle it. Sorting and cleaning was a pain in the ass and made it not worth it...in the US. China was happy to accept it for a couple decades until a few years ago. Now most recycling centers only accept plastic with a reason code of 1 or 2. But people do not really check the number on the symbol. A lot of it is 5 which is not recyclable in the vast majority of places but people still toss that into recycling because they think it has the recycling symbol on it. So recycling centers have to sort that shit out and send it to the landfill. It is a massive waste of resources that the oil companies are fine with since people think they are doing their part.

Recycling in general though was not supposed to be a fix for climate change. While recycling things like aluminum is significantly more energy efficient than mining, the bigger issue there is the mine itself.

[–] phatskat@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Recycling plastic is more so a lie fed by the plastic manufacturers.

[–] dx1@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

In general I feel like no one really takes a holistic view of this and everyone just points fingers. If indeed all the models are correct and human-produced CO2 is causing global warming, it's not just "corporations" or "the rich" or just individuals, it's the whole of the machine of humanity hacking away at the tree branch they're sitting on, and we need to radically shift our energy production to eliminate greenhouse gas externalities, and ideally figure out, what's it called, CO2 sequestration or whatever, to bring it back to normal.

And to the degree we can't shift immediately, we shouldn't just be burning fossil fuels towards ends we don't even need, like dumb luxury goods or just driving in circles. It does come down to all of us as individuals - some of us have more power than others (yeah, more or less proportionally to wealth), but the buck has to stop somewhere.

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Of course it is, but consumers generally don't make the decisions about resource procurement and manufacturing. They only drive the demand. However, demand is also heavily shaped by both the cultural zeitgeist as well as marketing, which is in turn funded by corporations.

So in effect, it all comes down to corporations.

[–] dx1@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Well - corporations are funded by everyone, under the legal framework of the ostensibly democratic government, to which extent it's not democratic, it's at the mercy of the population choosing to continue perpetuating its existence. My point here is that the entire thing is just humanity working in a self-destructive way, and even when there are power imbalances in practice, real power - think of it like potential energy in physics - is truly democratic.

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Corporations are certainly NOT democratic. If anything, their corporate hierarchy of management and ownership is.. capitalist. It's a top-down structure that concentrates wealth in the ha ds of a few to the detriment of the workers, always resulting in class conflict.

Democracies allow them to exist because it's the only efficient way for civilians to organize profitable industry.

[–] dx1@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

That's...not what I wrote.