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Article: https://proton.me/blog/deepseek

Calls it "Deepsneak", failing to make it clear that the reason people love Deepseek is that you can download and it run it securely on any of your own private devices or servers - unlike most of the competing SOTA AIs.

I can't speak for Proton, but the last couple weeks are showing some very clear biases coming out.

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[–] harsh3466@lemmy.ml 35 points 2 days ago (1 children)

wait, what? How did I miss that? I use protonmail, and I didn't see anything about an LLM in the mail client. Nor have I noticed it when I check my mail. Where/how do I find and disable that shit?

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 49 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] harsh3466@lemmy.ml 51 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Thank you. I've saved the link and will be disabling it next time I log in. Can't fucking escape this AI/LLM bullshit anywhere.

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 68 points 2 days ago (4 children)

The combination of AI, crypto wallet and CEO's pro-MAGA comments (all within six months or so!) are why I quit Proton. They've completely lost the plot. I just want a reliable email service and file storage.

[–] harsh3466@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'm considering leaving proton too. The two things I really care about are simplelogin and the VPN with port forwarding. As far as I understand it, proton is about the last VPN option you can trust with port forwarding

[–] fenndev@leminal.space 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Happily using AirVPN for port forwarding.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 5 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I'm strongly considering switching to them! How do you like it?

[–] fenndev@leminal.space 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The interface - GUI and website - is straight out of 2008 and documentation could be better, but otherwise it works just fine for torrenting and browsing. No complaints there.

[–] harsh3466@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Can you easily get config files to set up wireguard without having to use their app? Secondarily to that, how easy is their port forwarding setup?

[–] fenndev@leminal.space 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They have their own config generator and port forwarding is really easy to set up IMO. Both need to be logged in to see, though.

[–] harsh3466@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago

Thank you. I'm going to check them out. Appreciate the links and info!

[–] doubtingtammy@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago

No complaints here. At first I thought the gui was inferior to surfshark's. But then I realized surfshark's only looks more polished (at least on linux/gnome). It works fine.

And if you really want to be paranoid (while also using an environment-destroying tech), you could pay with monero and then they don't really have much info on you (except your IP)

[–] elfpie@lemmy.eco.br 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I have been using them for the same reason after trying a couple of other ones. I didn't like their client for Linux, but I'm happy otherwise.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 1 points 1 day ago

The fact that they have so many clients for different Linux distros was something I liked. I was trying to figure out how to move to Bazzite, and they have an RPM build that you can easily install.

[–] limitedduck@awful.systems 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

As far as I understand it, proton is about the last VPN option you can trust with port forwarding

Could you explain this part please? What makes them untrustworthy?

[–] harsh3466@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'm not 100% sure if you mean what do I think makes proton untrustworthy, or what do I think makes other vpns untrustworthy?

If you're referring to proton, some of the statements Andy Yen have made recently are painting proton as less neutral than they claim to be.

I'm also generally aware that a LOT of vpn outfits are just a different company mining your traffic and data, and that there are few "no log" vpns that you can trust.

Despite their recent statements that sour my taste in giving proton money (and the ai bullshit that every goddam company is shoving down our throats), I trust proton when they say no logs. They're regularly audited for it.

I don't trust all these other VPN companies that claim to be no log and have nothing to back them up. Especially when several of them have been caught logging and mining/selling the data they claim to not be logging.

[–] doubtingtammy@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

less neutral than they claim to be.

The story of Switzerland in the imperial core

[–] limitedduck@awful.systems 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Apologies, I misread your comment and though you said protonvpn was untrustworthy. I'm not a VPN user so I'm not up to date with the rep of any of them, but I am a proton mail user so I was worried about the technical integrity of one of their products

[–] harsh3466@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

No worries. As mentioned, I trust Proton at the moment because they are regularly audited, and as far as I know, the audits have always upheld the claims Proton has for things like no logging, actual e2ee encryption on their emails, etc...

That doesn't mean I like or agree with Yen's comments, but the truth is, there is no ethical consumption in capitalism. I could switch to some other vpn and a different mail server, but it's likely to just be another problematic company with problematic people.

[–] kboy101222@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 days ago

Once all that crap came out, I felt incredibly justified by never having switched to Proton.

It was entirely out of laziness, but still

[–] kat@orbi.camp 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

what's a good privacy replacement for email/pass?

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

After using Proton for a couple years I've come around to the POV that private email is a dead end. There was not a single occasion where the sender or recipient of any email was also using encryption. If I want encrypted comms I use Signal. Instead of Pass I went back to using Bitwarden.

[–] miracleorange@beehaw.org 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This is why I switched to using Migadu as my email provider with my own URL. They make no qualms about saying email is inherently insecure, but they're cheap, have great customer service, and they're independent.

[–] h6pw5@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago

Crypto and AI focus was a weird step before all this came out. But now we know Andy is pro republican… completes a very unappealing picture. We should have a database tho, plenty of c level execs and investor groups do far worse and get no scrutiny simply because they don’t post about it on the internet.