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[–] Spzi@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know, and that's a great reason for a plant based diet.

But read again to what I replied:

I’m killing half as many creatures for my transient pleasure as I was last year.

Oh, why not just stop murdering entirely?

There seems to exist the delusion of kill-free agriculture, when the best we can achieve is to kill less.

[–] Vegoon@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

We know that we have a Impact on others but shouldn't the goal be to keep it a minimum?

Animal industry is the intentional killing and abusing of animals. Animal feed is the biggest part of crops grown, for those crops all kind of animals are killed on a big scale. Veganism is about reducing the impact, stopping the intentional killing and reducing the unavoidable impact as much as possible. There is no delusion of a "zero impact vegan" it is just a construct for people who want to justify not changing them self.

[–] Spzi@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We know that we have a Impact on others but shouldn’t the goal be to keep it a minimum?

Yes, completely agreed.

There is no delusion of a “zero impact vegan”

Maybe I misunderstood the person I was initially responding to, but I understood them as exactly that, when they said what I already quoted two times.

It's also not the first time I encountered this attitude. Maybe they don't actually believe what they say, but then my critique is directed at the wording. There is no zero kill diet (although plant based diets are clearly much less harmful than other diets).

Occasionally, some vegans bring up this idea and react very sensitive when confronted with how it's false. Maybe that defensiveness is fueled by cognitive dissonance which we mostly know from the other side.

[–] Vegoon@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There is no zero kill diet

Occasionally, some vegans bring up this idea and react very sensitive when confronted with how it’s false.

Maybe they have a hard time to explain the difference between intentional raising, raping and killing versus the death of critters, which meat carries many times more because feed production uses more plants than eating plants directly. But unless you are a monk and care about every step you take and grow your own no impact is delusional. Everything we use has a impact, every metal, every plastic end every car drive. But we can stop the intentional killing. Maybe a "zero murder" philosophy and not a "zero deaths" way.